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SJS
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# Posted: 26 May 08 20:38
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My friend svjetlana & I decided it would be fun to do this, make a co-production of a photo across all the frontiers between us, so we have just posted our collaboration.
A Serbian woman living in Switzerland takes a photo in her Swiss town and an Englishman living in Portugal edits it, so that you have this:
I guess I cut it a lot, but that is because it says more this way.
svjetlana has it in her gallery, # 556111. We made sure we posted at exactly the same moment.
Although it actually started as a private 'comment' between us, I had the idea to show it like this as a forum suggestion.
We have really enjoyed doing this and now we think it would be great for other woophians to team up and do something similar.
Any takers? Go on, it's something new!
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Geoffrey McElwaine
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# Posted: 27 May 08 00:28 - Edited by: Geoffrey McElwaine
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Stewart. It certainly is a good idea, which appeals to me : but how to make it work ? In the past, I have suggested to other members that some change to one of their uploaded pictures ( cropping, tweaking its contrast, colour saturation, etc. ) might improve it : this has always taken place in the privacy of an E-mail. I would, of course, be happy to cooperate with others in the kind of public way Svjetlana and yourself have done - but only with their full agreement. Nor would I be happy for other members to tinker with my images without my consent.
But maybe, that's just my usual timid fear of the unknown speaking !
Regards
Geoff.
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SJS
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# Posted: 27 May 08 10:54
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Hi, Geoff,
Just to clarify this a little to break down the reticence.
You are quite right, about confidential tweaks, crops, etc. in private via e-mails. I'm sure a lot fo us havehad that experience before - outward & inward. I remember sending you some at Xmas for your interpretation, and pleased to so so.
Or suggestions in comments that the photographer is free to follow up, or not, as they wish.
And tinkering without consent happens too. A few times I have had new versions of photos of mine e-mailed to me after the revision was done. While I admit it feels strange, I've never really minded, as the intention was positive.
What is different about this idea is that although it started as a private "present", we both then agreed 100% to make it a team project and publish it, fully synchronised.
On that basis, it works with no problem at all. There has to be agreement between both on the final version, of course.
Why not invite someone to give it a try?
Experiment with a partner, whereby you could exchange photos that were taken by each partner, then allow the other to edit, or "re-interpret" it.
It is really easy!
Cheers.
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Ruden Fretsbo
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# Posted: 27 May 08 20:58
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I like very much the idea, but I don't see very clearly how to carry it out... Did you ment to make a personal agreement with other photographers? or maybe to upload non-edited pictures for the common use of woophy members, for instance in the forum to see their own interpretations?
Hugs!
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trudy tuinstra
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# Posted: 27 May 08 21:45
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When I just started on Woophy I put on a picture of a waterfall. Mister Bico told me to make it better and he made an example for me. Then Dieuwertje made another version. I liked it very much. It is not quiet the same as SJS and Svjetlana did, but it was working together. 
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Lali
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# Posted: 27 May 08 22:59 - Edited by: Lali
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A few days ago I posted this picture...
...than I got TBM's comment;
" There is something poetic in these colored chairs, in the little clay dwarf, in the basket... yet the pic, IMO, is too realistic... One of the famous "experiments" by Lali would be great here..."
and I must say that I fully agreed with his opinion, but I had no idea what to do with the pic...
Next day I got this beautiful pic,edited by TBM, and I was really impressed
I know it is not quite the same as SJS and Svjetlana did it, but it shure is a nice cooperation betwen two friends, from which we both can learn something...
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SJS
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# Posted: 28 May 08 00:05
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Hi Ruden.
If I understand your question well, yes, it was very much a prior agreement. This photo hadn't been published before. Svjetlana sent it to me, with a few others of the statue from different angles. I worked on them all & then suddenly had the idea of the 'j-v'.
We realised that first we would have to put it into our portfolios, which we did simultaneously.
In a way, Trudy's & Lali's entries here are a variation on the same thing. I don't think that matters, the results are still colaborations, and if both players see it as that, and publish it here, it still counts.
The only difference is - as Trudy & Lali both point out - is that the extra touches were carried out after posting on woophy.
Our point was a collaboration BEFORE posting, that's all.
Trudy & Lali, seeing what you've done, I'm thinknig maybe we should show our original too. But that would mean posting it first. Only svjetlana can do that, as it was entirely her work, shooting it.
I've never been in Baden, Switzerland, LOL!
Ruden, I'd like to add just one more point, as an example.
A lot of people don't have photoshop or corel. That means that a lot of editing techniques are closed to them. Can you see what I'm getting at? People who don't have them could have a pic entirely revolutionised by someone who is good with Photoshop. Would be great.
Hope that clears it up a bit more.
Greetz
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SJS
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# Posted: 28 May 08 00:08
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PS: Forgot to say, Trudy & Lali, both your pics are radically altered. In TBM's case, it seems that it was really what I just wrote about editing software.Fantastic!
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Ruden Fretsbo
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# Posted: 28 May 08 21:14
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It's all clear now, thank's for the explanation and for triying to understand my english!
Hugs!
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TBM
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# Posted: 28 May 08 21:15
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I like this idea of joint ventures very much. It would be great to launch the project.
As Ruben pointed out, we need the rules of the game.
My modest proposal:
1) a member (let's call him "the owner") sends a picture of his to another member ("the editor"), proposing him to edit it;
2) the pic should be in its original "just- out-of-the-camera" version and sould not be already present on woophy;
3) the editor decides wether he accepts or not the owner's proposal (this is very important, because the work can be done only if the picture tickles the editor's artistic flair)
4) when the editor's work is done, the two versions are uploaded simultaneously;
5) the owner's published version could be the original one or a manipulation as well;
6) the editor publishes both versions in the Forum in a new topic called "Joint Venture of X and Y"
Would somebody play? Those who are interested can subscribe by joining this forum, saying if they want to play the owner or the editor or both.
I have a couple of pics from Rome that I have not uploaded because they need being revised somehow. And I would like to try to work with other member's works. So, if you want to play with me...
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fotogravenswaay
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# Posted: 28 May 08 22:01
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for some time ago ( almost two years ) we did something similar on an old scanned picture from New York taken by me.
scanned picture
There were some people involved and I liked it very much to work in this way.
The cooperation started by itself and resulted in a "better" picture, I think there are not many rules needed to make this work.
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Virgínia
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# Posted: 29 May 08 04:09
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I think the idea is more than excellent.
As Stewart said some of us don't have Photoshop or other software of the kind to transform their pictures into "works of art" or more creative photos. I use Picasa and find it good as well as Photo editor, but they are limited.
I proposed to Ana Helena a joint venture with her as I'm a real fan of her pics. 
She agreed in her sweet, gentle manner, so I've sent her three pictures today - which have already been posted on W - for her to choose one if it matches her expectations.
When she's ready, she'll send her creation to me and we may agree in posting it as the final common product.
I know she'll have more trouble than me, I have just shot the pic. But I think she's keen on doing it and her credits will always be highlighted by comments of our own.
Great idea , Stew. Keep on marching!
Virgínia
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leilani
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# Posted: 29 May 08 14:47
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sounds fun
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trudy tuinstra
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# Posted: 29 May 08 23:16
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It sounds very nice, but I also can imagine that different people try to make the same picture more beautiful. I have some pictures, already posted on Woophy from which I now they are nice in basic, but could be better if worked out and I don't know how. Perhaps thet can be another forum, called challenge or something like that. And then different members try to make a very nice picture of a nice picture. Trudy.
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Virgínia
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# Posted: 31 May 08 02:25
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I had a problem with Woophy today and couldn't post but one of the pics ANA HELENA has edited for me, my grandson's portrait.
Tomorrow I'll post the others here - the before and after products for you to see what a person ( like Ana Helena) can do with a regular picture (mine).
Sleep well.
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Ruden Fretsbo
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# Posted: 31 May 08 04:15
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@ TBM: What about a cooperation between Italy and Catalonia? If you agree I can send you some of my pics in exchange oft those pictures from Rome. Would be a pleasure for me...
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TBM
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# Posted: 31 May 08 12:23
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@ Ruben: it will be a pleasure for me too! I'm sendig you an Email.
I have already received another proposal, it seems this is going to be a very busy weekend...
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Tensionhead
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# Posted: 5 Jun 08 05:20
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this could be very interesting. great idea, loads of fun to be had with this! it could very well need its own catagory in the forum, with seemingly endless interchanging possiblities. woophy imagination....
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SJS
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# Posted: 9 Jun 08 23:19
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Hi, folks.
I just let this run for a couple of weeks to see how it would turn out. it has been a really positive response, and people have got together and exchanged photos for 're-interpretation'.
I agree with fotogravenswaay, it really doesn't need to many rules.
In fact, what TBM listed on 28 May is more or less how it has happened on the 2 J-Vs I have been involved in, and on yours & Ruden's.
I think that now the main thing is to get some more examples into the forum, like those of virgínia & Ana Helena. Svjetlana & NC spies have also got some ready, but don't know how to put them into the forum.
As to the question, where? Tensionhead's idea seems interesting, but that depends on the woophy admin, I suppose. Maybe TBM & Ruden havbe the right idea - a new thread for each J-V.
Lastly, I just wrote out an observation in an e-mail to TBM, that when the J--V's are posted in the galleries, it looks like members aren't sure how to respond, or if to comment. The comments
were less than usual for the J-V with svjetlana & me. Seems similar with Ruden & TBM.
Why is that? Any ideas?
Last week, I did a new J-V with A.Miguel O. (We want to post them, but where?)
I posted it a day before him. I just said that it was a J-V between us. It had a high response (36). Miguel mentioned the forum, he had 27 comments which is a lot less than his usual.
A lot of people commented on both.
That suggests that something in the caption makes the difference to the general repsonse.
Well, that's a lot to take in. But it is worth discussing it, to find out how it goes forward from here.
Keep pairing up, experimenting & showing!!
Hugs
Stewart
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BAI
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# Posted: 10 Jun 08 21:40
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I like the idea to conduct a photographic work in society, is not what we do normally, so I look forward to any photograph to give my interpretation.
What I suggest is that the thing is reciprocal, if "A" sends a photo to "B" to "B" accepts the "work" must send a photo to "A"
Greetings and hugs for everyone
Ricardo
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