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Wesley
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# Posted: 15 Aug 06 11:06
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@36clicks
So the first thing I’m curious when I look at a selective colour image is: “what’s wrong with it that it needs such treatment?”
I think you are right. Very often when a pic I've taken is ... crap, first thing I do is
desaturate and think about what selective colour could make it look better. ;-)
And I think in many cases, it really works! That's most likely the main reason why I've recently started to like the style. Hahahaha ;-)
But... I really like the idea of using selective colours. Many of the pics above are pics I really like. If I were to buy a photo to decorate my house with, the chances of me selecting a pic with a (red) selective colour on a greyscale background would be allmost 100 percent.
A few days ago a came across this pic by de stilte:
It isn't a selective "colour" but it's very much the same idea.
And IMO a lot stronger because it doesn't overshadow the pic.
Wesley
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36Clicks
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# Posted: 15 Aug 06 11:24
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@Wesley:
Thanks for the input. Although it's often less obvious, I think a similar pitfall exists for B&W images. B&W conversions are quite often used to mask flaws, too, I think. Also, using B&W to enforce an atmosphere in a photo which isn't necessarily there could also have the same effect. Not to mention what I think of sepia...:) I think the example you use is a very good one, and one in which the B&W version you show is could very well be the strongest solution, as it's about shadows and light, and not about contrasts in colour.
Generally speaking, I think there's a distinct difference in scene between colour photography and black and white photography, primarily because of the different contrasts used to create the subtleties within the photo. (I've said more on this in the B&W conversion thread in the Workshop forum)
I agree with you that liking or disliking (anything) is purely subjective. There's no right or wrong involved. Whether someone likes it or not, that's entirely up to that person, and there's no arguing with that!
Cheers,
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Wesley
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# Posted: 15 Aug 06 12:37
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Be careful with your axe 36,
you're publicly revealing that what allows a fisherprice-amateur like me to survive on a site like this. :p
without the masking abilities of the b&w conversion and other "help me cus i screwed up"-adjustment tools, My ratio pics uploaded/pics shot would drop from 1/100 to 1/1000 leaving me with only 4 pics ;-)
but er... right you are. (in my case)
Wes
I love sepia pics :-(((
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Andreas Heijdendael
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# Posted: 15 Aug 06 12:59
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@wesley
It's not quantity that counts but quality.
Can't remember who said it but "if you have 1 good picture out of a roll of film you've got a pretty good 'catch'". (-:
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36Clicks
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# Posted: 15 Aug 06 13:06 - Edited by: 36Clicks
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LOL! Wesley! Didn't you noticed I whispered? Nobody heard me, so the secret is safe...:D
And honestly, you should give yourself a bit more credit than that, too. Think of the ratio of good shots to the actual amoutns of shots as the "room for improvement"- I always found that a huge stimulous to experiment and try new things - including (whispering again) B&W, sepia and other conversions, including (now I'm really whispering) selective colours...
Besides, nowadays, it happens when I take 600+ images a day, I have to press 600+ times the delete key when I go through my photos, so there are no surprises there...:) Admitedly, it also happens, although very rarely, that I'm (more or less) satisfied with 9 out of 10 photos I take - It's all a matter of catching the right "vibe"...:)
Cheers,
36Clicks.
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Wesley
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# Posted: 15 Aug 06 13:48
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@andreas: because you are right, it might be a good idea for the manufacturors to introduce the 5 pic roll ;-)
@36clicks: lol, and the room for improvement is a great motivation to try and escape the del-key.
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nature
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# Posted: 15 Aug 06 21:05 - Edited by: nature
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@AlexN: Thanks for your choice and @paul bonini: Good composition! ( excuse-me for the mistake :S) and thanks for your contribution (Parc's pic is very good because it's a natural selective color)
@36Clicks: Another time (it's the same reason for the frame ;) ) that right that I make Selective colors because most of the time my pic are not very good . For exemple:
 (...erased, sorry...it was nearly the pic 103343 but with selective colors)
In this pic there is a lot of color (purple + green + brown) and I didn't like the focus for the background that's why I make the selective colors.
There is only for this pic:  it was more a test than the will of hidden a defect (exept maybe the light...), so I'll post the original pic if you want to see the difference (but with a black frame ;) )
For the B and W, in general, I regulary use it because I find it easier to manipulate contrast and light (but also sometimes to hidde a defect ;D )
NB:you said: "I always found that a huge stimulous to experiment and try new things"
Still do it please! because I think you are nearly the part "recherche et développement" (I don't know if the translation is "search and development"...) of Woophy and I like seeing your XP! (your are nearly the only member to try new things... :D )
EDIT: ...if you want to compare... ... I didn't resist to experiment new frame :D
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36Clicks
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# Posted: 15 Aug 06 21:33
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@ nature: You should give yourself a bit more credit! you manage to produce some very good photos, and you definitely know your way around photoshop to get everything possible out of your photos.
In your first example, I understand your reasoning behind it, and the difficulty with it, both in the colour version, as well as with a pure B&W version. In that case, I think I would just hit the ever so patient "delete" key...;)
As for the second example, I guess that apart from the green grass and leafs, the photo had little colour in it anyway, and you only emphasised an already present contrast. I believe that's a better / more appropriate use...:)
As to the Research and Development part... there already is one in my portfolio:
This image wasn't photoshopped to get the selective colour, though. It was a grey day, and the Canadian flag is already pretty black and white. Apart from the frame, the image came straight out of the camera. A Natural Selective colour photo, so to speak...:D
Cheers,
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nature
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# Posted: 15 Aug 06 22:53 - Edited by: nature
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I listened you for the 1st pic (I noticed that I don't lose any comment and rate althought this photograph was added more than 6 months ... , so no regrets :) )
Your pic is something I like in your "Research and Development part" , you arrive to make the same thing as us... but without Photoshop :) and this one is amazing!!
In fact, if I tried to do the same shot with my cam: The flag wouldn't be sharp _diaphragm aperture ago which would be too long and I cannot regulate it :S _ because the weather (for the light) would be too grey to have a correct shot with this cam... :D ( I envy those which have a sophisticated cam and who don't know how to use it :) )
I know..."I should give myself a bit more credit!" but it's difficult using my cam :D but thank you nevertheless for the support ;)
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36Clicks
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# Posted: 15 Aug 06 23:02
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@Nature, of course, the camera does help in chosing the proper camera settings, but you could also increase the sensor's sensitivity. I'd say with your Olympus C450 Zoom, you could still get a good image at ISO 400, with only limited digital noise. Sure, using a DSLR does help, but they say it's the photographer who takes the shot...:D
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nature
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# Posted: 15 Aug 06 23:08
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@36Clicks: Thank you for the tip, I'm looking for do it... ;-) because I regulary have this problem in situation with little light
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Wesley
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# Posted: 15 Aug 06 23:09
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@nature:
Looking at your great pics, and the among them very fine macro's, i thought you'ld have a digital slr. Allthough the c450 is an excellent camera (i used to sell them), i am impressed with the results you've got out of it.
for example when i had my sony dsc-p72 i wouldn't even try taking a pic like this:
congratulations!
Wesley
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nature
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# Posted: 16 Aug 06 11:47 - Edited by: nature
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@36Clicks: I knew a possibilty to over (and under) expose shots in the adjustments, I'll try to use it for this type of pic (movement in little light), because besides that I do not have the possibility of choosing the ISO :S
@Wesley: Thank you too for the support ;) and that's right that I really like my cam for easy conditions (landscapes, good light...etc) and macro (but I practice for more than 1 year to arrive to find the good adjustments _mode macro and... the zoom to the maximum !_) that's why I don't have already change my cam (and 36Clicks said "using a DSLR does help, but they say it's the photographer who takes the shot..." and I'm rather agree :D )
but for this shoot I was lucky! because most of the time the flash using the Macro mode give a bad result, I think I couldn't take this pic another time...:D
In the same style as Parc: A natural Selective colors...
 by romain canavaggio
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nature
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# Posted: 16 Aug 06 18:29
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I discovered that John Melskens have got a beautiful collection of selected color:
 
 
and I was impressed by this one: 
because there is a very good selection for the hair !
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laura lizancos mora
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# Posted: 19 Aug 06 05:39
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Hi friends! Pleased to come back from holidays ..and learn sooo much with your lessons!
here you have my contribution to this interesting topic! Cheers!
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laura lizancos mora
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# Posted: 19 Aug 06 05:44
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nature
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# Posted: 21 Aug 06 13:08
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thank you Laura for this quality contribution :D
I'ever seen the 1st one which I really like. (sorry to forget it :S )
The second pic is simply amazing and the last is a very good idea to try "sepia" and selectiv colors, the result is beautiful !
Thank you very much Laura !
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laura lizancos mora
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# Posted: 21 Aug 06 13:30
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my pleasure!!!!(Enjoying your art!)
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Andreas Heijdendael
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# Posted: 22 Aug 06 13:45
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Well, not exactly the same but still...
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Dieuwertje
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# Posted: 24 Aug 06 17:21
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Very nice topic, I didn't see before so many of B&W photo's with red or one other colour
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