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de stilte
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# Posted: 10 May 06 17:39
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I've been taking pictures about 30 years, the last 6 months digital. I have a locker full of old films. I find it now time to scan the best of 30 years ....( slik!!!!! ) Is there some one who can give me advice about a filmscanner?? My budget is limited to € 250,= And what the best way is to scan the films..
vr.gr.ruud
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soyoban
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# Posted: 10 May 06 20:47
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hi de stilte, i use a EPSON PERFECTION 3490 PHOTO ( 120 euros) .
It make goods pictures, but it's limited to 4 pictures per scan.
Then for 30 years of pictures...
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Wilfrid
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# Posted: 10 May 06 22:31
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I'd also look for the Epson Perfection 4490 Photo, ~250€ (in Germany's onlineshops), it makes a higher resolution. It will be my new scanner in 1-2 month. In any way i think, Epson is a good choice
For informations look at www.epson.nl/product/scanner/index.htm
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JJ FURET
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# Posted: 11 May 06 13:14
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Hello,
To scan your films you need a real film scanner, not a flatbed ordinary scanner. Minimum resolution is 4000dpi. I use an Epson perfection 1200 with a special back for films but the quality is not enough. You can have look on my pics on this site, many are scanned slides at 1200dpi, it may be enough to show on internet but certainly not for printing.
The only problem is the price, a film scanner cost much more than 250€, have a look at Minolta Coolscan 4000 or 5000
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zerega
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# Posted: 11 May 06 14:05
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Scanning slides is still a bit tricky. For a rundown of the problems you may encounter have a look at this site where a guy tested a Nikon coolscan with a range of images:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/SCAN/CSIV/C4PICS.HTM
If you know German, this page has the most info, including tests and a ranking list:
http://www.filmscanner.info/FilmscannerRangliste.html
Especially shdow detail is still very difficult to achieve. Expect fiddling with curves for each slide individually. Scannings slides isn't done with a batch job. I'd concentrate on your best images from your 30 years, otherwise it will be another 30 years to have all images scanned.
BTW you can't beat viewing 20 year old slides projected analogue on a huge wall with some friends, drinkies and background music during long winter nights. Definitely better than browsing images on an 20 inch computer screen.
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de stilte
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# Posted: 11 May 06 14:14 - Edited by: de stilte
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@ JJ FURET, after searching on the internet was that my conclusion also....but al of my films are already printed so there is no need for printing anymore. So a filmscanner is not really necesarry.
@ soyaban and Wilfrid , epson is in the picture by me...
and I also found a filmscanner rental in holland, they have a whole range of filmscanners for rent, from 60 upon 200 € a week....maybe who knows.
thnx for the tips
ruud
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de stilte
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# Posted: 11 May 06 14:41
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@zerega, it is my intention to only scan the best of 30 years ...;-)..I already know witch ones , they are already printed at the time they were made. That part of the job is already done.
The first url I already encountered in my search, the second one not. My english is much better than german, so most of the time I scip deutsche webseiten.
And I see it more as a preserving job than to look at my screen with budies beer and women..;-)........anyway thnx!!!
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zerega
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# Posted: 11 May 06 15:47
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Hi Ruud,
if preserving is the main issue, concentrate on the slides first.
I recently saw slides that are eaten away by fungus. Pity, those images are from the late 50ies (!), great documentary from pre-Vietnam-War Indochina and Khmer-Rouge-Cambodia with colours still intact, but tiny little packets of dots here and there. And this being Munich, not known for steamy and hot climate except for its beer halls.
Another friend had his slides stored safely locked in his house until the day the river bed 300 meters away couldn't cope with the rain. It must have been rather chemical stuff as most of the slides were completely clear without any colour after beimg bathed for a few hours and lay in the dump for afortnight since he was away at holiday and the folks that looked after the house just removed the obvious debris.
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Ricardo Baigorria
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# Posted: 11 May 06 17:08
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Hello to all, I also have a Epson Perfection 1200 with the special cover for transparencies and I have achieved copies of 30x40 cm with good quality. But time recently I discovered that I have better quality and more quickly photographing my old ones negative with the camera. I only had to be careful in arming a fixed system where to put the negative that is centered and parallel to the camera the one which, I put it in function Macro.
I wait to have been they useful
Greetings
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de stilte
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# Posted: 11 May 06 18:35
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@ zerega, the negatives are stored for all those years in accid free paper, espacially for films. I didn't inspect them yet, but I expect them in good shape.....I hope........I think...
But what a bummer about those negatives from your friends..not only those from the '50-s, all negatives which are "destroyed" is a pity.
@ Ricardo, correct me when I am wrong.......You photographed the negatives ?????????
On what kind of surface???, with light shining from the back?
ruud
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Ricardo Baigorria
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# Posted: 11 May 06 19:00
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The same as when we made copies of slides, nothing else that now the negative is digital...and the method... a little handmade.
On the window I place an acrylic opalino, to 1 cm I put a negative carrier of enlarger fixed to the table and about 5 cm vertically the camera (in macro) taking care of aligning the perfectly most possible thing the objective with the center of the negative to photograph. I use the light by day that he/she enters for the window, with sun or without him.
That is everything, I consider that it is quicker than escanear the negatives and the quality, very good!
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de stilte
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# Posted: 11 May 06 21:46
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@ Ricardo, thanks for the tip!!....I will certainly going to try that, being a real dutch it may cost nothing ..;-)
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zerega
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# Posted: 12 May 06 12:15 - Edited by: zerega
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Ricardo,
while browsing again through your excellent collection with the new knowledge of your interesting idea of digital slide/negative 'duplicating', i noticed an interesting effect on some of the images:
This image looks a bit like it was a hand colored black & white print, something that was en vogue around 1900. It looks not like it to a full extend, more halfway in between a colour print and a hand colored b/w print.
I suspect this happened in the duplicating process: The light source, the negative and the digital camera weren't perfectly alligned and made this effect. (Duplicating Kodachrome slides out of axis for example produces psychedelic colour shifts and weird solarizing effects, especially if the light comes from the side). It would be interesting if you could experiment with an even stronger misallignment to see what happens.
This is something i couldn't think of doing with photoshop easily if at all. This is instead pure old school, analog optical stuff!
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Ricardo Baigorria
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# Posted: 12 May 06 12:42
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Hello, it is possible that the optic effect that you say produces something like that, I will prove it.
In this picture the color is altered because fué taken with very little light; then, with the Photoshop I had to correct the levels a lot to achieve that the image appeared the tones therefore they veered almost to the BW, to rescue some color applied the filter Velvia Visión where I increased the quantity of warm tones, then lastly, to eliminate the noise I applied him the filter Noiseware of Imagenomic with the varying Portrait... and this was the result.
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JJ FURET
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# Posted: 18 May 06 13:22
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I also have some problems of dots of mould on old slides, I started slides in the 70', and I don't know what to do about it.
I also have hundred of slides over 30 years that I would like to scan but it takes time and money. I scan them using my perfection 1200 with average results, I considered for a while to buy a filmscanner but its a lot of money just to scan old pics ( i don't think I'll make lot of slides in the future), so I decided to give my best slides to a professional to scan them. It costs around 0.47€ for each slide scanned. Does anybody knows cheaper?
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de stilte
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# Posted: 18 May 06 13:34
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@ JJ Furet, often there is the possibillity to rent a slide/filmscanner at retailers of scanners by the week or day. Much cheaper than buying or let them scan. For myself I'm thinking of renting, now I'm busy with sorting out my old films. Hell of a job.;-)
ruud
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