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TBM
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# Posted: 4 Jun 08 21:37
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Dear Woophians,
I met Ruden Fretsbo on the Forum about joint ventures brillantly launched by SJS, and he proposed me to start a common project. Could I miss the chance of working with a Member of the Month (and, incidentally, one of my favorite photographers)?
And so, Ruden sent me 6 pics of his from Barcelona and sorroundings, and I sent him 6 pics of mine from Rome. Each of us edited 3 of the pics he had received.
Here are the results, for your comments.
Let me just say that working with Ruden and with his fantastic pics was not only a pleasure, but a great lesson on photography too.
Let us start with my shots. First the original, then Ruden's version:
 
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TBM
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# Posted: 4 Jun 08 21:46
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And now, the pics taken by Ruden and edited by TBM:
 
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SuperGirl
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# Posted: 4 Jun 08 21:53
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even if i dont like edited pics, these pics are awesome! great work!!!
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Ruden Fretsbo
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# Posted: 4 Jun 08 22:09
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Hi all!
First of all, thank you TBM for opening this thread. I'd like to say that it was really a great experience for me to work in collaboration with TBM. He sent me such nice pictures that the work was really a pleasure. I'd encourage everybody in the site to try such Joint Venture project, as there is so much to enjoy and, specially, so much to learn.
I'm very curious about you comments!
Hugs to all!
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Ruden Fretsbo
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# Posted: 4 Jun 08 22:15
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@ Supergirl: thanks for your words... by the way, in your avatar you have a b&w picture, this is an edited picture also... 
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SuperGirl
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# Posted: 4 Jun 08 22:29
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yes, I know that  after seeing these editions, i am now manipulating with some pics. and now i understand that it is not that simple to make such an impressive result.
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fotogravenswaay
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# Posted: 4 Jun 08 22:29
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first of all....very good to see such a cooperation!!!!
I don't want to discus about (like saturation/ cropping / cloning and so on) how the original pictures are edited and what the final result is, the work is done, and IMO it is done in a good way.
But TBM uses CS3 and at Rudens editing you can't see what editing program he is using, perhaps you could fill this in Ruden?.......and, what the most important is; how did you achieve this results ??.......your workflow??
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geert geenen
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# Posted: 4 Jun 08 22:35
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i specially like TBM's last one (edited by Ruden) and Ruden's first one (edited by TBM); nice cooperation indeed. to be continued?
(see comments added at photo's)
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TBM
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# Posted: 4 Jun 08 22:55 - Edited by: TBM
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@ Fotogravenswaay:
My workflow on Ruden's pics is as follows (I will try to be as clear as possible)
The church on the cliffs: first, I corrected a millimentric tilt (1 deg clockwise), then cropped the bottom and adjusted the contrast working on the istogram. Finally, I burned the cliffs on the foreground to give more depth to the image (I added a layer in multiply mode at 50% density).
The Gondola.
First, I reduced the blue in the midtones and in the shadows on all the picture.
Then I selected the beige areas on the station and added a bit of red to them.
I adjusted the istogram.
Then I cropped both top and bottom
Finally, with magic wand tool, I selected the blue sky and created a new layer. Added a layer mask with linear graduated shading from top to bottom, applied the multiply mode so that I created an underexposure on the top.
The Surfer.
That was fun! I Took out of my archive an old picture taken in Corse on the beach. I cut the horizon and the sky, and pasted it above the pier that closes the horizon in the original.
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www.jgreentree.co.uk
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# Posted: 5 Jun 08 02:11
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Superb idea like the border idea as it tells people who did what!
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leilani
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# Posted: 5 Jun 08 05:12
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i want to play
great collab guys
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joopvandijk
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# Posted: 5 Jun 08 11:30
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great work guyá
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Arwen
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# Posted: 6 Jun 08 19:25
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What a difference a bit of editing makes.
Nevertheless : the pictures are great, the editing is the icing on the cake.
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Ruden Fretsbo
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# Posted: 6 Jun 08 19:54 - Edited by: Ruden Fretsbo
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Hi all!
I'm pasting you something that I just wrote in another topic in the forum. It's about photo edition. I think that it suits very well in this topic also.
About photo edition: I think that there is quite a big tabu against edition that I can only explain in terms of ignorance (sorry if this word is too hard, but I do'nt know how to say it otherwise in english...). Photographic edition is a NECESSARY part of all the process in the work with a picture, and it's something that has been done always, from the very beggining of photography, as Jonny said, first in the dark room, with incredible techniques to focus the picture, enhance the colour, the lights, etc... Only that nowadays we can do it "easily" with a good software... (well, not so easy, as at least in my case I had to spend many many hours in front of the computer to learn how to do it...) But it seems that as it's quite an easy procedure then it is not a commendable work...
On the other hand, another problem that I noticed is that people normally confuse edition with manipulation and this is a very bad thing, imo, as both edition and manipulation use similar procedures but the final aim is completely different!!! One more thing that people forget usually is that for instance a b&w picture is an image strongly edited... but as it's a "classical" edition, we accept it with eyes closed...
Just one more thing, probably 99% of professional photography is edited in some way (more or less edited in terms of focussing, colour saturation or desaturation, contrast, cropping, etc, etc...)
This is just my opinion, of course...
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In the images that TBM and I have edited you can find mostly an "ordinary" edition (let's say it like this) and also some manipulation for instance in the surfer picture or even the picture with the girls resting in Rome. I think that it's important to distinguish both things. Edition is a necessary part of the process and manipulation is rather a divertimento, something to play with, to enjoy... to give an image a different feeling...
Hugs to all!
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www.jgreentree.co.uk
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# Posted: 6 Jun 08 20:25
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You have put it better than i could you could be a press release officer
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TBM
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# Posted: 6 Jun 08 20:50
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I agree 100% with Ruden. Those like me, who have experienced the Glorious Days of Darkroom, know full well that the manipulation of the image began with the choice of the chemicals for developing the film - using Rodinal rather than Microphen could completely change the structure of the negative image. Also the following processes were full of possibilities - the choice of the type and the grade of paper, the setting of exposure and develpoing time of the print, and all the techniques of "masking", "burning" and so on.... And please remember that nowadays, when your digital camera creates a jpeg file from its original data record (or when you process a RAW file ), that is already an editing process...
As regards manipulation (in the proper sense defined by Ruden), this is a more dfficult question. One may like or dislike manipulated images, this world (and Woophy) is big enough for everybody. The problem is that some people sometimes think that manipulating it is a bit like cheating, and that a good photographer should not use such tricks. Now I think that all forms of creative activities (I would never use the big word "art") are equally noble, and that a manipulated image should be judged only for its aesthetic, and not "moral", aspects. It is true, however, that when we see a pic we are drawn to believe that what we see is what was in front of the photographer's lens. This is the reason why, in my opinion, manipulated images should always be published with a warning for the viewer about their nature.
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Svjetlana
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# Posted: 8 Jun 08 18:29
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I agree with Ruden, too, and congratulations boys! You made great photos.
Regards, S.
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SJS
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# Posted: 9 Jun 08 19:50
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Amigos TBM & Ruden,
I have only just see this new thread and I am full of admiration. You guys are Premier League
IMHO, and it seems entirely right that you team up.
The results are very positive indeed and your enthusiasm for spreading the idea around is really great.
As well, the fact that you obvously enjoyed yourselves comes across clearly. I love it!
Strange, I have completely lost track of the original thread I posted....Where is it?? I wanted to come back to you there!!!
Seriously, there are new J-Vs to post, so what to do? Start a new thread, or people should bring them in here?
For example, svjetlana & NC Spies have cooked up something between them & have asked m what to do.
I also know of at least another 5, besides one of mine with A.Miguel O.
If you or anyone can asnwer this question then, it would be much appreciated.
Big Grtz.
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TBM
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# Posted: 9 Jun 08 20:07
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Hi SJS,
first of all, my congratulations for this great idea of yours about JVs!
Yes, I think that each JV deserves his own forum thread, so that comments and remarks can be aimed well. It would be a mess to put all JVs in a single thread...
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devish
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# Posted: 9 Jun 08 20:13
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I like the project! The only thing I don't care for too much is TMB's last editing of Ruden's pic. the background has changed!
But then again, the results are really impressive, you both did an awsome job espetially with the clouds (in my opinion).
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