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klaus.w
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# Posted: 20 Nov 07 14:50
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There's often a discussion about "can we trust pictures anymore?" because new SW makes it really easy to manipulate them. But I found a nice link about "Digital Tampering in the Media, Politics and Law" which shows, that it was an issue long time before PS:
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/farid/research/digitaltampering/
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Dieuwertje
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# Posted: 20 Nov 07 16:59
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Hi Klaus, that's an interesting site, nice to read it !!
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Martin de Rijk
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# Posted: 20 Nov 07 17:07
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Good to see you can't trust any picture anymore :-)
I loved to see the old ones on the site. Thanks for posting.
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Ruden Fretsbo
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# Posted: 20 Nov 07 18:59 - Edited by: Ruden Fretsbo
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Indeed very interesting topic and link. I'd like to add that we can find examples of edition of pictures much before PS not only in politics, press and mas media, but also in artistic photography. A good exemple is, for me, Pete Turner:
You can find some interesting information about him in this link
Or in his website http://www.peteturner.com/
P.S. Of course in these cases I would not talk about "manipulation" of images but rather "interpretation" or "performance"...
Regards,
Ruden
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beemerchef
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# Posted: 21 Nov 07 03:50
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The more I get into photography, the more this subject gets complexe as I do not think it is only politics and so on... I love the pictures you have posted... they are pleasing to my eyes... but, yes, what are they?
As we have been on the road for 13 months now, I take about 300 to 500 pictures a day... and I am just finding out that I am starting to categorize them!
~ some, just photos... might have been taken at high noon but... I need to document where we have been! no artistery there!!!
~ some... ah! the great moments around sunrise and sunsets... looking for THAT picture!!! and those themselves get split up! The "natural ones"... and the ones I spend half an hour tweaking and tweaking... again the next day...
Have ALL those pictures lost their innocence?... They are being "produced" by the mind however... tweaked or not... I just thing they all have a different category...
Maybe I also think too much and maybe should lock up the cameras for a while!!!
Great subject...
Be well...
Ara & Spirit
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Corneel Timmermans
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# Posted: 22 Nov 07 12:33
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HI,
An old discussion indeed.
I would like to know if a photo has been "edited" in ps or any other program, other than setting or "tweaking" the camera values as would do in a ordinary darkroom.
The digital age has made the line between "original" and adjusted much more thinner!
Corneel
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matz
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# Posted: 27 Nov 07 14:54
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one thought to bring into this discussion:
editing does not start after the picture has been taken. it starts with the photographers decision which part of the scenery he wants to capture. we have to be aware that we are always showing a limited part of a scenery, are taking things out of its context.
example 1: beautiful landscape, but on the far right hand side there is an ugly factory. the photographer descides to move the camera a bit to the left so all that is left is beautiful nature.
example 2 (more serious manipulation): a picture of a soldier pointing his gun at an innocent, unarmed person. now let us just assume, that in reality a few meters behind that poor unarmed person there was a violent person also with a gun at whom the soldier's gun is actually pointing, but by deciding to just shoot the angle without the second person, the message of the picture is massivly altered.
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