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Oscar_
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# Posted: 14 Jan 07 16:02
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As I learned so many things on Woophy I'm not that happy anymore with my Canon Powershot S1IS. I want to do more with a camera than it is possible with my old Canon S1. So I want to buy a new Camera.
I found the Canon EOS 350d that is sold around 600 euros with Kit Lens.
I read some negative reactions about the kit lens that is not so good. A sigma or Leica would be better. Is that true ?
My question is, is the Canon EOS 350d a good camera or are there some others for that money that are better ? I don't know that much about cameras.
Has onybody some good advise ?
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pansa
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# Posted: 14 Jan 07 16:45 - Edited by: pansa
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Good test reports you can find here:
http://www.dpreview.com/
The image quality of the 350D gets a 4.57 (out of 5), which is not bad I think.
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de stilte
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# Posted: 14 Jan 07 16:56
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What I find also important if the camera feels good in your hands, its not only a matter of pro's and contra's of a camera. And ofcourse the money you are willing to spend.
Kitlenses are most of the time the standard lens , not bad not good, just a plain lens.
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Bunny
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# Posted: 14 Jan 07 21:21
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de stilte is right about the 'handy' thing. when i wandet a dsrl camera i asked the same question and i desided for a canon 350 eos with kidlens. but when i had it in my hand it seemed for me that the camera is unhandy (for me!!) i tried a few other labels and the one witch comforts me the most was the nikon D70s. so i bought this one.
my tip for you: go and search for at least 5 cameras in the internet witch are in your budget and then go in a megastore for a 'handy' test.. so you know witch one comforts you the most! you don't have to buy there :-)
have fun finding a new camera and don't hurry :-)
greetings
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Dave Moore
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# Posted: 14 Jan 07 22:04
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I'm intrigued now as to what you cannot do with it, I too have a Canon S1 IS and apart from having a bit of a small screen and not having many megapixels by today's standards, it still does all the things I can ask of it.
I'm a bit put off by the idea of DSLRs because of the amount of equipment people who have them seem to carry around with them, why aren't there lenses that can go from 1x to 10x zoom.
A lot of the problems with the image quality of lower-spec cameras can be fixed satisfactorily with software. With my photos I use NeatImage to clear out the noise and PSP to get the levels right, crop, and straighten them.
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Oscar_
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# Posted: 14 Jan 07 22:22
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@Pansa, thanks for the good link. Didn't know this site. Like the pics by different cameras.
@Bunny and de stilte, Thats something I suppose to forget. I thought there is not so many differents in handling the camera. Tommorow I go to a megastore to hold some cameras.
@Dave The S1IS is a perfect camera I'm still happy with it and I will not sold it because it is a perfect camera for quick shot. Most of my pictures are made with the S1 and I edit the pics with photoshop etc. Then the images looks great with the S1 3,2 MP. Also the 10x zoom is perfect with the stabilisator.
Thanks for this tool I didn't know. I downloaded it and will see it's function.
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Barry Miller
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# Posted: 14 Jan 07 22:39
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Hi Oscar
Bunny and de stilte have both mentioned a very important point regarding how the camera feels in your hands. In my days of 35mm SLR cameras I had a couple of units that never felt quite right when i was holding them, however I struggled on with them none the less. When I decided to go digital a few years ago I had a only a small budget and I went and bought completely the wrong camera which was a Olympus point and shoot job for £250 at the time. Due to being spoilt by 35mm SLRs in the past I soon found that I needed a camera that did much more than the point and shoot with no zoom etc but my budget wasn't up to a full DSLR. After using my friends Fuji Pro-sumer a couple of times I fell in love with it and when she upgraded to a full DSLR I bought the Fuji 6900Z Pro-sumer from her a couple of years ago which is my present camera. I knew it felt right for me because I had used it, it still does feel right. I bought my daughter the same camera for Christmas 2006, I just hope she loves it as much as I love mine.
If your not at one with your camera then I think it is difficult to take the photos you really want to take. Personally I think the camera has to be like a third hand so that all our attention is on the shot and not worrying about our equipment.
Until I win the lottery my camera will always be a compromise, however it has to be a comfortable and happy compromise to work well. This is because the chubby man with the white beard and the red suit did not deliver the Hasselblad Ixpress CFH on December 25th that I asked for,...........Yea right, I wish.
Barry.
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John Melskens
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# Posted: 14 Jan 07 22:59
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I like the EOS 350D - I just bought one (with the 18 - 55 mm) and it is okay. Up to 1600 ISO, 4 - 5 images in RAW really fast one after the other... And the lens is okay too. If you have a lot of money you can allways buy a better lens.
A tip: the batterygrip holds two batteries and gives better grip.
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John Melskens
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# Posted: 14 Jan 07 23:00
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And Bunny gives good advise.
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Martin de Rijk
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# Posted: 15 Jan 07 00:22
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Hi Oscar,
I used to work with Minolta camera's but when I switched to digital I choose for the Canon EOS 350, It was/is a fine camera for me afer playing a bit with it and some others as Bunny said.
Oscar is right, when you're budget isn't endless you have to compromise. I added a "on the road" zoomlens from sigma 18mm - 200mm and thats fine for now in combination with a 50mm standard.
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rezz50
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# Posted: 15 Jan 07 00:40
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I've used my EOS 300d for two years and have had excellent results. The kit lens is fine for walk around applications, but I've added the EF 28-135 IS telephoto zoom - which is a great lens - I use it for 80% of my shots. Check the new EOS 400d also; it's slightly smaller.
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rezz50
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# Posted: 15 Jan 07 00:52
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Another good site for reviews of Canon cameras and lenses:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/
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Oscar_
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# Posted: 15 Jan 07 10:39
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@Barry thanks for your advise.
@John Thanks for comment. I like to hear that you are happy with the 350d. As you said the kit lens is good I believe it because your pics are GREAT !
@Martin. Thanks for your advise. As my money isn't endless I can alway buy better lenses as you said.
@rezz50 thanks for your advise and great link to this site. I like this side it gives good info.
I'm happy with all the advise about the EOS 350d. I see a lot of members that have this camera and I'm glad there are so many happy with this camera.
Maybe I wait a little to buy the 400d.
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Rod
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# Posted: 15 Jan 07 10:57
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I am happy with my 400d.
Good size screen and auto sensor cleaner.
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pansa
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# Posted: 15 Jan 07 13:19
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See http://www.woophy.com/forum/index.php?action=vthread&forum=5&topic=213 1 for the battery grip.
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John Melskens
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# Posted: 15 Jan 07 14:35
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@ Oscar: the kit-lens is good enough. It is not great. The lens is not expensive so it is okay. If you want a better lens, also in 18 - 55 mm from Canon, the price here in Holland is about 1000 euro. The fixed focal lenght lenses are better and more expensive.
But for starters the lens-kit is not bad.
The last pictures I put on my Woophy page are made with that lens.
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JJ FURET
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# Posted: 15 Jan 07 17:25
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I am very happy with my 400D that I bought with the kit 18-55mm lens. I know that it is not a professionnal lens, but the price was not professionnal either.
I use it also with the 28-70mm and the 70-300m that I got from my former EOS 300, I find them enough for the kind of pics that I do. Maybe I'll buy a fixed focal lens quite luminous for music concerts photos, even if I already made nice pics at 1600 ISO with the 18-55mm from the kit.
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Oscar_
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# Posted: 15 Jan 07 21:10
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Rod and JJ Furet, nice to hear the possitive reactions about the 400d. I discovered that the 400d is about 100 euros more. Thats not so much anymore.
Pansa I read the topic. But anyway thanks a lot ! I discovered today a pack with the battery grip. Very nice.
John your last pictures are great and very sharp. They have nice colors. I think it is also important who pushed the button. You make some good shots with this kit lens......
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Barry Miller
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# Posted: 15 Jan 07 22:25
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I wonder if it is possible that some of us become obsessed and hung up over better but expensive lenses for the sake of it? just like some people get obsessed and hung up over mega-pixels. I know I am guilty of this at times and sometimes get 'The Must Have' feeling when I hear about or see certain photo items. After all, 6mp must be better than 3mp and therefor it must take better quality photos ??? Must be the same with better quality lenses?? We know this is debatable up to a point because it depends who is using the camera and how the equipment is being used. I am in no doubt that a high quality lens is far more capable of producing sharper, clearer pictures with perhaps better and in some cases truer colour reproduction. If we combine the high quality lenses with the high mega-pixels then one would assume that all our photographs would be perfect. Many of us know that this is not the case because we often see some wonderful photographs here on Woophy that have been taken taken with basic point and shoot 3 mp cameras or lower.
When I mentioned recently to a professional photographer friend that I would dearly love a high end camera for Christmas such as the ones he used for his portrait work, his reply was, "I would prefer you to lust after my work, skill and technique and the results of that skill, rather than my equipment". He later asked me to go and get my camera, which was in my car. He spent about 5 minutes studying some of the settings even though he was fairly familiar with camera already and asked a few questions and then he called in his assistant to his back studio and shot off 30 frames all within about 15 minutes. He then transfered them to his laptop and said he would email a dozen of the best ones to me later in the week. After viewing the ones he sent to me and then printing a few off on my very basic Epson printer I now see exactly what he means........I still want one though (lol)
When I next spoke to him he asked me my thoughts on the shots. My reply was this.
My request next Christmas is for your knowledge, your skill, your technique, and your photo-gear in that order. ........... and for my birthday can I please have your studio and your assistant on the days when you are not working. Shaking his head slowly, his reply was......Just go to the bar and order the drinks.
Barry
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John Melskens
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# Posted: 16 Jan 07 03:38
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Nice story, Barry, but I have an answer for you too.
If you want to shoot pictures in low light situations and just with the available light, then you see the difference between a good and a better lens.
And it is true that the equipment doesn't take the pictures, but the person behind the camera does.
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