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de stilte
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# Posted: 8 Jan 07 22:37 - Edited by: de stilte
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iToday was the winner made public of the Silver Camera 2006 in the netherlands.....
Zilveren Camera
I only give a link to the website , not of the winning picture ,seems not to be right for my feeling.
But I wasn't surprised when I saw the winning photo....I think it captures the feeling of most of the people of a bit of fear sadness and hope....
Hope you enjoy it as much as I did....
ruud
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Oscar_
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# Posted: 8 Jan 07 23:15
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Thanks for the link de Stilte. Great to have a look on the site who are winners and who is second and third.
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klaus.w
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# Posted: 9 Jan 07 00:32 - Edited by: klaus.w
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thanx, there are really good pictures!!
* rest edited *
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ConradM
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# Posted: 9 Jan 07 07:37
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ofcourse pers the abuse button, the image is copyrighted !!!
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pansa
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# Posted: 9 Jan 07 10:19
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The winning picture is a great shot. The lucky part is that just one of the horses was white (I assume that it isn't PS-ed) and that one was looking in the opposite direction. But it is a once in a lifetime moment that he captured.
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de stilte
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# Posted: 9 Jan 07 11:33 - Edited by: de stilte
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@ Pansa, it isn't PS-ed. Laurens Aaij was lucky that he was taken with some fireman in a boat to feed the horses. As he told, he approached the scene with journalistic profesionalism, payed very good attention to the composition and made the pkoto. Another photographer who was also in the same boat decided not to make the same picture but choosed to make an overall picture.
I just informed about the copyright of the picture, if we mention the name of the photographer and that this picture won the "Zilveren Camera" it can be published for a year without problems.
@ Klaus.w , if you would be so kind to edit your post if it is still possible ??????
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giz
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# Posted: 9 Jan 07 15:47
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look at # 245896
"I just informed about the copyright of the picture, if we mention the name of the photographer and that this picture won the "Zilveren Camera" it can be published for a year without problems." according to de stilte.
I think if that is true the picture has to be removed from woophy because even the name of the photografer isn't mentioned, nore that he won " de zilvere camera"
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de stilte
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# Posted: 9 Jan 07 17:00
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photo by Laurens Aaij winner of the "Zilveren Camera 2006"
:)
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giz
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# Posted: 9 Jan 07 17:23
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:-)=good for you! It is a beautifull picture and so strange that the white horse still looks clean!
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Dieuwertje
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# Posted: 9 Jan 07 17:26
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Hi Ruud, I saw it yesterday and I am glad this is the winner. It's the withe horse who made it as a great compostition between the dark ones.
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contax
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# Posted: 10 Jan 07 08:36
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photo's =including the mentioned picture= more and more are born in a computer instead of in a camera.
This winning picture is a fake aswel. The white horse and the sky is maniputated for sure, unfortunat........
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de stilte
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# Posted: 10 Jan 07 21:28
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@ contax, based on what is this picture manipulated??........perhaps the sky is worked to darken it and the horse to lighten it up.....but I think thats all.
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klaus.w
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# Posted: 10 Jan 07 23:40
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I think that's a really interesting and general issue, which is a(nother) discussion worth.
Especially when we are talking about a price-winning image.
First of all - we heard/read - it's not PS'ed - then it turned to "perhaps the sky, lighten up the horse - a little bit".
I think all of us saw that it's PS'ed before. Come on - but it seems nobody wants to be ungraciously. Maybe some of the people fear "downrating" or something else. I can't understand. But I get more and more the impression that the woophy community is not very open to criticism. Why? Please, you can downrate my pictures as much/low as you want. I don't care. I uploaded (roughly) 80% of all my pictures on woophy, coz no other pictures existed at the villages/cities map at this time. So I don't mind the ratings, as long as the comments affirm that they are right placed.....
But back to point: Photoshopped or not?`How far is "real" and where does the edge of "PS'ed" start. Almost everybody of us crop their pictures (we have millions of pixels to choose), make adjustments in brightness, contrast, colors etc.... I think that is not the problem at all.
But I agree with contax (although I "abused" him in my edited posting). This picture is not only a little bit PS'ed. The sky, the whites, silhouette, maybe a little bit of the blur... but - coz it claims to be documentary - I think, thats the point where I get a problem. Look at the winner of "Buitenlands Documentaire". This picture. You can change it to bw, change contrast etc. but you'll never change the testimony.
Nevertheless I really like the picture of Laurens Aaij - it's his point of view, from an artistic side, but not implicitly the reality - which I would expect from a documentary. So I think criticism is allowed.
Let's start a discussion and "...show me the world"
Klaus
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de stilte
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# Posted: 11 Jan 07 00:28
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The normal things like saturation cropping push burn and so on is fine with me. In the past I did the same things in the darkroom with B&W. And for a few years ago when you were not satisfied with your colourprints, to red or to pale or whatever, you returned them with a remark could it be done in this or that way? And such things I don't really see as PS-ed, its for me the same as with B&W developing.
Nowadays in the digital era everything is possible, we shoot in raw or jpg, we've got PS or PSP or whatever kind of software, publish it on the net.
But were draw we the line?...........I think its not that hard.....look at Worth1000, thats PS-ing. In my opinion if you don't alter a picture in such way that the original is not recognazible anymore, just keep it at the standard procedures, nothing wrong with.
And for the winning picture, allright, the white horse looks clean in opposite of the other horses, the sky is dramatic.......it are the same things I would have done...........BUT.....if the white horse was later on added to the picture......think thats wrong. And I think if that was the case with this picture it would never have won.
First of all - we heard/read - it's not PS'ed - then it turned to "perhaps the sky, lighten up the horse - a little bit".
This were things I also read ,and IMO it still not PS-ed......;-))......I'm a trusting person and don't put everywere questionmarks........:-)
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klaus.w
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# Posted: 11 Jan 07 00:56 - Edited by: klaus.w
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That's the discussion I wanted to start. Don't get me wrong. My questionmark was placed at the same point than yours. But as you said - where draw the line? We have a similar opinion (maybe except documtentary). But where do others see the line - and even more important; Do they see it?
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contax
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# Posted: 11 Jan 07 08:05
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what's the picture worth if I tell you: "there was not a single white horse in this group"
but born in the computer of the maker of the picture ?
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de stilte
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# Posted: 11 Jan 07 09:48
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@ Contax, if that was true the picture wasn't a pricewinner in the first place and secondly in that case the jury is very misleaded..........but the horse isn't added later on, and there were white horses present at that time. If you look closely at this video's, you will notice some partly white horses. If there is a real white horse in it I couldn't see , but that is not an issue here.
In the official regulation rules it is mentioned that picture's may not to be altered to mislead the audiance. The rules are only in dutch because it is a dutch contest. I don't know if you are able to read dutch because I don't know were you from contax.
Beeldbewerking die de journalistieke inhoud van een beeld wijzigt, is niet toegestaan. De kijker
mag op geen enkele manier misleid worden!
picture version which modifies the journalistic contents of a picture, has not been permitted. The kijker can be misleaded in absolutely no manner! = translation by babelfish....;-)
kijker = viewer
And the journalistic content is I think the guidline we should use for ourselfes, what I said before , working on the standard procedures is oké.
ruud
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suzan
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# Posted: 11 Jan 07 13:36
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What a fuzz about the winning pic. De stilte only wanted to share this site with other members. Let's leave discussions to the jury members, they are not amatures....
@de stilte, thanks for putting the link on the forum!
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