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Wesley
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# Posted: 10 Aug 06 17:51 - Edited by: Wesley
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Hi all,
Very often after finishing a pic in PhotoShop, I think "does this need a frame?"
And... then the other questions come up:
What size? What colour? A tiny line in the frame? etc.
And after that: How do I make the frame I want?
Because it annoys me a bit that I cannot make a decent frame, I would like to know how others make them and how they chose what kind of frame they use.
So, if you have any tips/tutorials about how to make them and what kind of frame to pick,
I'ld be more than happy to learn more about it.
The most impressive frames I've come across are all from Nature:
And there are many more.
Thanks for your help,
Wesley
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nature
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# Posted: 10 Aug 06 19:40 - Edited by: nature
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Thanks a lot for this compliment! :)
That's right that I really like making sophisticated framing (sometimes too much ;) )
I've ever made a small tutorial to explain how I make the 3rd frame but I'm not sure it's very clear, so if you have got question ...do not hesitate to ask me! :)
I'll try to make another tutorial to explain how I make the 1st because it's one of my favourite and it's not too hard.
For the question: "how I chose what kind of frame I use?"
I don't really have an answer it's really depends of the photo (of the subject, of its composition,…) but also from what comes to my mind when I work on Photoshop :)
For example, I try to not use the second frame when the subject is cut by the transparency of the frame. (If the subject take all the surface > don't use it)
but sometimes everybody don't have the same idea of the subject...
An exemple from my collection (the pic and 2 comments):
lovely, I like the frame -5-
Johanna
great flower pic - but i dont like this frame (it's eating the flower)
drora
So I think there is no "good" frame for each pic. Make what you seem to be good for you and hope that there is someonelse who like it ;-)
Another pic for which I've got some differents comments so I made 2 specimens :
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Wesley
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# Posted: 10 Aug 06 21:22
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Thanks a lot for the reply Nature,
And it is very clear, thank you.
I also think that a sophisticated frame is really important,
it can make or break a photo,
it can accentuate the subject and colours and it can do the exact oposite.
As soon I as I've got a result worth showing,
I'll let you know.
Thanks again,
Wesley
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36Clicks
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# Posted: 10 Aug 06 22:15 - Edited by: 36Clicks
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hi Wesley,
In the last section of this thread you'll find a different approach: http://www.woophy.com/forum/12_1277_0.html
As you say, I think a frame can be a great addition in the presentation of a photo, but it's also very easy to over do it. I think the function of a frame is to support the photo, not to distract a bit. In all honesty, I think most of the examples shown in this frame are either too intrusive, distracting the attention away from the photo, or close to intrusive. In adding a frame, the K.I.S.S. principle is IMO a golden rule.
I know I break my own rule constantly, though. Constructing a fitting frame is very difficult, and besides, purely subjective.
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de stilte
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# Posted: 10 Aug 06 23:18
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K.I.S.S.??..........
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Wesley
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# Posted: 10 Aug 06 23:34
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Thanks 36clicks,
You are very right: overdoing pics with fancy frames is probably quite an easy thing to do. However... I am one of these people who will do another 17 steps beyond the last step trying to make something even better. And in 99.99% of the cases I screw up bigtime.So that last S in KISS... that might be a W for Wes ;-)
I really like a fancy frame. But... it shouldn't overshadow a pic. That's why that was one of the questions I've raised in my first post. What frame to pick? What colour should the frame be? How big? etc...
Now nature has shown how to make a frame, I can use it, fitting my own taste. And nature and you are both very right... it is highly subjective.
To give you an idea of what I believe to be the perfect frame: I absolutely love the frame around the red berries (posted above) because of the simplicity and complementary colours returning everywhere. But in it's simplicity it is also very sophisticated.
And THAT is what I'm looking for.
Wesley
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Wesley
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# Posted: 10 Aug 06 23:36
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@De Stilte
KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid
Wesley
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Phillipo
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# Posted: 11 Aug 06 00:13
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Hello Wesley ...
I think that non picture needs nothing but itselfs ... adding a frame or not, the escence belongs to the image ... that's why I don't use frames ... better ... that's why I never wonder myself nothing about frames ... BUT ... of course it's up to you my friend ...
Cheers ...
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Wesley
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# Posted: 11 Aug 06 00:33
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Thanks for the feedback Phillipo,
I can see what you mean. The picture is the most important part. It is impossible to make a bad picture great with a fancy frame and a good pic doesn't NEED a frame.
But... if you have a look at the last screenshot and the final result from the tutorial 36clicks has mentioned above, I think you'll agree (but again it's very subjective) that the blue looks lighter and more lively, the dark part just above the water looks heavier and the smoke seems a lot sharper on the pic with the frame.
And you are right, it was a great shot anyway, but that frame is the cherry on top of the cake IMO.
Wesley
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de stilte
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# Posted: 11 Aug 06 09:33
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@ wesley...........thnx a lot!!!.....;-))))))))
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nature
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# Posted: 11 Aug 06 10:20 - Edited by: nature
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I'm totally agree with 36Clicks and Phillipo:"a frame can be a great addition in the presentation of a photo", but "the escence belongs to the image"
Here my "tutorial" to make the 1st frame. I still work with photoshop element 2.0
(1) click on: image; redimensionner; cut working area
put width and height at 5cm (choose the size you want)
click on OK
NB: the color of the frame depends of the color of background which is located under the magnifying glass on the right (blue=foreground and black = background on the this sceen)
(2) permute the colors of foreground and background (press X)
click on: image; redimensionner; cut working area
put width and height at 0.4cm (choose the size you want)
click on OK
(3)A new time, permute the colors of foreground and background (press X)
click on: image; redimensionner; cut working area
put width and height at 5cm (choose the size you want)
click on OK
(4)enlarge the pic and select the small line in your frame with the magic wand (tolerance 0 and use only the contiguous pixels)
(5)choose the range tool (press G)
click on modify on the top left corner
click on each small square and then on the color you want to made the characteristics of your range
NB: maybe you have only 2 squares > you can add more clicking on Bart of range
click on OK
(6)aply you range and dis-select to see the result...
NB: you can choose other style for your range with the 5 types of range at the right of modify
...I hope it's enought clear (especially for the translation problems :S )
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Wesley
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# Posted: 11 Aug 06 11:18 - Edited by: Wesley
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Hi all,
I've done some tests with pics I had uploaded before.
Let me know what you think please - no need to be gentle ;-)
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Cheers,
Wesley
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nature
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# Posted: 11 Aug 06 11:33 - Edited by: nature
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...I won't be gentle :)
For the 1st pic, I prefer without frame (or rather without THIS frame)
Whereas for the second pic, I like the result because it's a good way to remind the colors of the pic but I think 36clicks 'll say that it's "distracting the attention away from the photo"...and he's right ;) (but I still prefer with a frame :) because it looks for me more "finished" )
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Wesley
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# Posted: 11 Aug 06 13:05
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Yes, you are right nature.
I'll leave it online, just in case there's ever going to be a topic on "101 ways to screw up a pic"
Wesley
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Perla Abrego
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# Posted: 12 Aug 06 03:05
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No puedo conectarme bien a internet, asi que no puedo ver las fotografias no los comentarios de phillipo para poder enviarle un mensaje, phillipo: por favor escribe tu correo en los comentarios.
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suzan
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# Posted: 12 Aug 06 15:35
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I make frames with Ulead Photoimpact 6 and PhotoFiltre, as I don't have Photoshop. The only pity is that it always covers a piece of the picture. That sometimes bothers me.
Indeed some pic's get nicer and some become worse with a frame and to decide what's best for a particular pic is sometimes diffult.
Suzan
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Bunny
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# Posted: 13 Aug 06 20:23
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I first didn't liked frames at all. usually they where disstracting the picture IMO.
then i reallized, when i hang some picture, poster or anything in that cathegorie on my wall, i want to have it 'complete'. with a frame. as simple as possible. e voila... my pictures need some finish to be complete!
I was inspired by 36Clicks, he has the most simplest and effectives frames. Thans btw ;-)
@ Susan: i use photoshop elements 4 and just color the 'background, workground' around my picture without covering something from it.. (don't know the english word for it.. in german it is 'Arbeitsfläche')
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nature
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# Posted: 13 Aug 06 21:11 - Edited by: nature
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I've got the exactly the same evolution as you (Bunny).
1st, I found the frame boring. I thought It's wasn't a good think for the pic (a frame doesn't "bring" something to the pic) but after seeing some great collection with frame (like 36Clicks') I found that it bring a homogeneity in the colection which was good, so I begin to make frame.
Now, I realiserealises that I don't have this homogeneity but I begin to only make black frame with small line (like the 1st one) because I had got some interessent comments which pointed out to me that the frame was too important compared to the photograph ( But for the moment I leave my old pic, because I like seeing the evolution of my shot... :-) )
So, I think Bunny is right when she say that we make frame to " have it 'complete' " it's just a detail but a pic with a frame seems to me more finished... :)
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Bunny
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# Posted: 13 Aug 06 21:40
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@ Nature: i've just looked at your pictures sorted out by rating.. interesting, i have just looked at the frames, the simle black ones like this one here:
are better rated then others... ok, the picture itself is of course important! ;-) hehe
i think a simple black or white frame underlines the contrasts and/or colors in a picture. probably the black one more.. but a do it similar as you do: first a very thin white line, and then it depend the sice and if it is a detail or a 'wide' picture, the black frame big or huge... ;-)
i just have seen your explaination ao doing the frame, i do it exactly the same...
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suzan
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# Posted: 13 Aug 06 22:46
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@ Bunny, I understand what you mean, but I don't have photoshop. But I will look further in my programs, in one of them will be a solution. Thanks
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