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Tigreramon
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# Posted: 18 Jun 08 15:15 - Edited by: Tigreramon
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Just few hours ago I was required by the school principal to remove all pictures ralated in somehow with the institution and students. 
I apologize to the institution for using my working hours to develop my hobby
I apologize to the parents for compromising children right of privacy
I apologize to woophy members for deleting your nice comments and some of your fav pics.
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If somebody has being under similar situation or just want to express his/her oppinion please leave your post, I want to hear your oppinion
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Nivad
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# Posted: 18 Jun 08 15:49
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Well I don't know the pics you've removed but if there were people recognizable on the photo's you must ask permission to publish them.
If you didn't it is only normal you were being asked to remove that work, no matter how artistic they could have been, you are breaking in someone elses privacy and nobody has the right to do so.
There are exception were you might publish people pics without permission however. But generally an authorization is required to publish portraits. I'm cautious myself in these matters.
Apologies accepted if they are honest, if ironic I feel sorry...
Grtz
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Tigreramon
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# Posted: 18 Jun 08 17:28 - Edited by: Tigreramon
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They are really honest... As an amateur there are so manything to learn on the way and that was my first lesson... I just wanted to write it in here because as a human we need to share with somebody. I got no friends yet here in japan and I just needed to express myself with people with same interest
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A.Miguel Oliveira
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# Posted: 18 Jun 08 19:41
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Tigreramon,
You've been an honest man expressing your feelings and doing what had been asked you for those who, indeed, had the right to ask! Congrats for that!
In some countries, around the world, there's a very tight law about portraits (and not only, of course). Mainly with children we must be very careful, at least with recent pics and where they can easily been recognisable!
Happy stay at Japan and enjoy your other kind of pics (or side or back portraits)!
Saludos desde Porto!
Miguel
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Geoffrey McElwaine
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# Posted: 18 Jun 08 20:53
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Tigreramon, I agree with Miguel - you are to be commended for your courage. Taking pictures of people can be really tricky. I follow two simple rules -
a. If the " subject " is in a public place, participating in a public event, I consider it appropriate to take his / her picture without any form of consent. My recent picture of a young Norwegian band player falls within that category. Her band was performing in a public square : there must have been at least a dozen other photographers at work while I took my picture. No-one, band-master or musicians, gave any indication that they wanted us to stop.
b. In all other cases, I try - in words, or by gesture - to make contact with the potential " subject " : only if I an completely satisfied that he / she has no objections will I take the picture. My Dublin flautist picture was in this category. Although I could not speak to him while he was continuing to play, I made sure that he saw my camera before making eye contact with him. As he made no gesture to suggest that he was uneasy about my photographing him, I pressed the shutter.
I am aware that these " rules " may not apply in other cultures. For me, the " bottom line " is to treat people - be they potential " subjects ", or not - with courtesy and respect.
Hope you find that helpful.
Regards
Geoff. ( Geoffrey McElwaine )
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SJS
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# Posted: 18 Jun 08 23:08
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Holá Tigeramon,
I agree entirely with Miguel & Geoff. It says very much that you make this announcement in this way, really admirable.
I remember those photos very well, but I could not have imagined that it would lead to this.
I commented that it was refreshing to see images from Japan.
The principal was of course within his rights, sin duda. But I wonder how he learned they were on woophy.
It's always a controversial question and naturally, above all when it concerns children.
You will grow from this experience and just change your POV to new subjects.
Saludos
Stewart
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Tigreramon
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# Posted: 18 Jun 08 23:22
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@ SJS... The knew about the pictures on Woophy because I showed the link to some parents to see the pictures, most of them where ok with that, but only one mother was against the idea, and the principle wisely asked me to remove them asp
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Vixstix
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# Posted: 19 Jun 08 02:10
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Oh yes, we need to be so careful with imagery of children.
Here in Australia recently, the whole Arts community has been thrust into the debate about the ability of children and even parents! to give consent for the publication and exhibition of images of them. Bill Henson is a well known photographer and art producer whose images were withdrawn from public view as a result of complaints about the interpretation of the work. Can the image be used pornographically? Most interesting!
Does this mean we cannot share publicly our "cute", oft taken, shots of our offspring as they grow? Probably.
For me, legal based censorship is not the answer. I suspect the answer lies more in the cultural awareness of the photographer, (amateur, professional and artistic) and a conscious attempt to snap beyond the 'cute' alone. Photographers, I encourage us all to delve deeper and after having suitably gained permission, to think about what it is we want to say in the photograph we are about to take and snap away with that end in mind. what do you think?
Also, Tigeramon, maybe you can begin to work with the original, recognisable image, edit the image into a 'not recognisable' image that encourages the viewer to think more universally in terms of childkind (as in mankind). These images may be even better and suitable for public consumption. What do you think?
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