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Aline
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# Posted: 5 Dec 07 19:48
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Just to be clear :
I support 100% Ortho 158 and I have helped him when I could in his struggle against the cheaters. I have a lot of respect for his work and for his collection.
And I have a lof of affection for John Melskens, a deep admiration for his work.
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devish
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# Posted: 5 Dec 07 19:54 - Edited by: devish
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I join your thankfulness Aline, thanks Ortho for all the work you do here on woophy.
And thanks giz for showing me the evidence!
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jonny greentree
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# Posted: 5 Dec 07 19:57
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its a good result !!!
but joris closed it to stop all the bad press why have you opened yet another thread on this matter we all know it exsits can we change the subject.
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devish
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# Posted: 5 Dec 07 19:59
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It is a different subject!
We are showing appretiation for a fellow member!
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Geoffrey McElwaine
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# Posted: 5 Dec 07 20:28
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Thank you from me, too, Ortho. That's the second instance, in recent weeks, of people thinking they can get away cheating with if only they shout loudly enough. It's good to have someone like you with the knowledge, and courage, to expose them.
Regards
Geoff. ( Geoffrey McElwaine )
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Paulo Calafate
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# Posted: 5 Dec 07 20:28
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A big big hug to John Melskens and you, Aline. It's always a pleasure to see you.
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pansa
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# Posted: 5 Dec 07 21:38
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Thanks Ortho for being our spider in the web. Wonder how you do this. Maybe you can share your technique with us so that more people of the Woophy gang can detect cheaters. And I aline with Paulo about the big hug for John, Aline and Ortho.
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davidoff
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# Posted: 5 Dec 07 21:50
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@Pansa
You can read the hidden information in any JPG, BMP, TIF, and others image files with a good EXIF READER.
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pansa
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# Posted: 5 Dec 07 21:52
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Thanks Davidoff, I didn't know that.
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ortho158
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# Posted: 5 Dec 07 22:14
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Thanks to all of you!!! But I must say that I appreciate much more sessions with fellow Woophians, like the one we had in Gent last week, than spending my time chasing pics uploaded by crooked 'members'.
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pansa
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# Posted: 5 Dec 07 22:21
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@ Ortho
I can image that. The strength of Woophy is the community. You have articulated that very good.
Txs and grts
Pansa
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davidoff
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# Posted: 5 Dec 07 22:37
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Pansa I foun some programs info
BR's EXIFextracter (Win)
"BR's EXIFextractor is a simple freeware tool that will extract the EXIF information from all JPG files in a directory and save the data in a CSV-file (Comma Separated Values)." Freeware.
DateTree (Mac)
"Organize files, movies or photos by date on Mac OS X. Copies your files into folders named by date. Reads dates that cameras store inside images (EXIF)."
EXIF Image Viewer and EXIF InfoTip (Win)
A simple image viewer for photos taken with digital cameras. It's capable of reading EXIF information embedded in photos as well as a little thumbnail. EXIF viewer also displays image histogram and features copying/moving and deleting of selected photos. Also available is EXIF InfoTip, a shell extension to display EXIF information in a tooltip in Windows Explorer. Both are freeware.
Exif Reader (Win)
This software analyzes JPEG files created by digital cameras and displays the shutter speed, flash condition, focal length, and other image information. Freeware.
EXIF Tag Parsing Library for Developers
Utilities for software developers to add EXIF parsing and reading to their programs.
Advertisement EXIF-O-Matic (Win/Mac/Linux)
View digital image EXIF tags & export to HTML or TXT. Free and open source.
Exifer for Windows
"Exifer is a nearly free software (postcard-ware) with which you can manage the metadata (EXIF/IPTC) of pictures taken by digital cameras. Because many image processing software destroys this metadata when saving such files, the idea was to create a backup of the metadata before editing it in any software, and then, after that to restore it back into the processed file."
EXIFread, EXIFren, and JPEGget (Win)
EXIFread is a C++ command line program to read the exif tags on JPEGs. EXIFren will rename your files to the date the picture was taken. JPEGget will extract the thumbnail JPEG hidden in your digital camera JPEG. Freeware with source code.
EXIFutils (Win/Mac/Linux)
"The EXIFutils are a set of command line utilities that extract, add, remove, copy, and replace EXIF data from JPEG and TIFF image files."
FotoTagger (Win)
"Cogitum FotoTagger is a picture annotation technology for embedding text into the picture itself and a set of tools built on it. Photo annotations are stored in FotoML format in SPIFF section of JPEG file."
Full Image Info (Win)
"Full Image Info is an easy to use program targeted to view and retrieve information about images and photos taken with digital cameras... Full Image Info can also provide detailed EXIF information about photos (model, exposure program, shutter speed value, aperture value, etc.), IPTC information and more." Shareware - US$20
Ignore EXIF Color Space Plug-in for Photoshop - Macintosh
Placing the plug-in called Ignore EXIF Color Space into the Adobe Photoshop 7 Plug-Ins folder will instruct Photoshop 7.0.1 to ignore the color space specified in EXIF metadata.
Ignore EXIF Color Space Utilities for Photoshop - Windows
Running the utility called Ignore EXIF Color Space will instruct Photoshop 7.0.1 to ignore the color space specified in EXIF metadata.
iTag - Photo Tagging Software (Win)
ITag is a free tool that is designed to make editing of key IPTC fields of your digital photos very easy. The editable IPTC fields are Headline, Caption and Keywords (which effectively translates into title, description and tags). The IPTC data can be read by other software such as IrfanView and Flickr. (Freeware)
Jhead (Win/Mac/Linux)
Exif Jpeg header parser and thumbnail remover. A command line driven program to parse through Exif headers and extract the most important digital camera settings. The software is public domain.
Microsoft Photo Info (Win)
Microsoft Photo Info is a new software add-in for Microsoft Windows that allows photographers to add, change and delete common "metadata" properties for digital photographs from inside Windows Explorer. It also provides enhanced "hover tips" and additional sort properties for digital photographs in Explorer (in Details view). (Freeware)
Namexif (Win)
"Namexif is a utility to automatically rename photos with the date they were shot... digital cameras have their own clock and write the date to each photos with a precision of a second. Since the date and time is recorded for each photos (provided it is an EXIF compliant digital camera), Namexif is able to rename these photos according to the date." Freeware.
Simple EXIF Viewer for Mac OS X
EXIF Viewer is a small Mac OS X application to display EXIF information in JPEG files coming from digital cameras. Freeware.
xMeta - Metadata Export from Photoshop (Mac)
"xMeta is a simple set of three plug-ins for exporting metadata from Photoshop in raw binary form. It can export ICC Profiles, EXIF camera data, and IPTC press information."
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Martin de Rijk
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# Posted: 5 Dec 07 23:06
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I can imagine that you like the woophy sessions far more Ortho, but still , you're doing a great job hunting those cheaters, but it will be good if more of us do the same, because you're getting to many abuses from those people imho.
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giz
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# Posted: 5 Dec 07 23:20
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@ortho,again a great job,now I hope we can enjoy all the good things in woophy!
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Aline
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# Posted: 6 Dec 07 00:11 - Edited by: Aline
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@P ansa :
Yes, JPG pictures contain not only the picture itself, but also the EXIF data :
They indicates the camera model, the shutter, aperture, date and time etc, all information automatically given by the numeric cameras.
So, the EXIF data of the pictures sent to Woophy can be read by Joris. It can be an indication of the author (100 pictures made by 100 different cameras is not really credible ?).
But Woophy doesn't display the EXIF data - as some other sites do -
So we have no more indication about the origin of the pictures than what can say the sender.
Several members proposed Woophy to display the EXIF data when they are avalaible, and I think it could be a very good enhancement...
... mainly because the technical data are sometimes very interesting for amateur photographers trying to learn more about photography.
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Nathan Servi
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# Posted: 6 Dec 07 00:56
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dear All,
I haven't participated in this until now, even if I carefully read every single conversation in the last 2/3 days...
I have to say that Ortho's work is really admirable, and by being in the community for a few months now, I really understand the goods of its little "gang" as its being called. Its simply a group of honest people that appreciate photography and try and enjoy their time on this site.
I think that its also normal that other people become jealous of this "gang" and for one reason or another, act as idiots and provoke anger and upset reactions in the members that would only want to enjoy it...
I believe that this site is a simple example of a normal society, where there are all types of behaviours, and all types of reactions to those behaviours. Woophy is not a perfect world, and I think we should all learn to accept this. Woophy, as wonderful as it is, has got its problems, and its cheaters and vicious downraters, and jealousies, and swearing.
Whilst we should all follow Ortho's example and fight against bad behaviours, i think we should also learn how to not get upset about these situations, and try and remain calm. Talking about cheaters or stolen pictures is (as somebody already said in another thread) only a contribution to those idiots. They (the idiots) only want the honest and good members to get upset and talk about them.
The thread about the guy stealing pictures and posting them on flickr was a simple example of this : as soon as somebody talked about him here on woophy, he started taking suggestions and selling pictures, and putting them on items for sale... he was clearly reading all woophy member's posts, and in his idiocy, feeding on those upset comments and complaining words.
I think that from now on, if situations like this come up again, we should report them - either here to JOris, or on other websites if necessary, and thats it. We don't need to all chip in and discuss our opinions on one thing or the other - If we only present FACTs, there is no need for opinions. Ortho has given a demonstration of this - he reported the abuse and didn't write any more - it is all those who "believe" or "not believe" the accusations that feeded the idiots -
Ortho is a responsible member of this community, we all know this. We should all try and be responsible in the same way, and not talk just to air our big mouths.
Aline and John (who I saw in the Gent photos and would love to see again here on woophy_) I hope you decide to restart posting your photos here as soon as possible - I also found a remedy to downraters: downrate your pictures yourself, so that they won't bother doing it.... (i've done it - it makes you feel amazing if somebody else tries to screw with you !!!!! )
Hugs to all,
Nathan
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joris
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# Posted: 6 Dec 07 04:30
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Thanks Nathan for your very clear analysis, I could not have done it better myself (and I try it really a lot).
Joris
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KevinHall
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# Posted: 6 Dec 07 05:15
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Currently any image uploaded to Woophy is wiped of it's metadata and assigned a new URL name. I'm sure that this is probably done in the name of saving space on the servers.
I discovered this by downloading my images and then a few others here on Woophy and then attempted to read the exif data and could not. Copyright and contact info that I had specifically added during my workflow was no longer part of the image nor was any of the standard info recorded by the camera.
Metadata is not something that everyone pays much attention to but it is important in many respects. For me it is one more step I can take to prevent my image from becoming an orphaned work. If my contact info and authorship are removed from the image, as Woophy currently does, any party interested in using my image (or any other posted here) could make the claim that there was no author listed in the image and no way to contact an owner.
In this same light, readable metadata could also easily clear up the problems experienced here on Woophy when people post images that do not belong to them.
I have been told that exif data will be a part of Woophy 2.0 and I certainly hope that it will include copyright and contact info added by the author.
For more on metadata I am including this address to an article written by Ethan G. Salwen over at ASMP's site.
http://www.asmp.org/commerce/metadata/index.php
Best wishes to all
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joris
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# Posted: 6 Dec 07 05:18
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all exiif data is already been saved and in 2.0 it will also be visible
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Martin de Rijk
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# Posted: 6 Dec 07 07:31
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Nathan you amazed me again, such a clear and intelligent post :-)
Well folks, as many said before, let's just wait for the 2.0 version, and, quoting Nathan:
Aline and John, I would love to see you here again.
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