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# Posted: 5 Aug 07 15:49
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For this week's photo up for discussion, Geoffrey has already done me a great favour with what he wrote in his introduction last week. I only need to echo what he, then many commenters, said about photos with a power to "speak", to reveal aspects of life beyond the aesthetically appealing. Those that can make up stop and think about complex, abstract matters that may be part of, or outside, our individual life experiences, but that nevertheless are connected to us all - even if we can't see how.
These matters certainly raise many worthwhile, often unanswerable questions of any person who goes around with any camera and who is motivated by a desire to understand who we are and why. And how we arrived at today.
For me, Wim Denijs, of Flanders, Belgium, in thw works that he brings us on Woophy, and the Wim that I have recently exchanged ideas with in private, is precisely this kind of photographer, and - more importantly - this kind of human being. All his photos radiate an abiding concern for humanity. He and I both click our shutters in very different ways, (with a great gap in quality!), but I believe that we are both motivated by the same drives in our natures and, to a certain extent, similarities of experience. More than once, I have left him a comment that it feels to me absurd and morally wrong to classify some of his pictures with a rating and one adjective. But his photography alwasy makes me think and feel!
The shining example that i present to you for discussion is one that, had I been there, I would have shot. When I was there, however, in August 2000, the sun shone all day long.

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Ieper.
We don't see the wide expanses of Flanders fields. Instead an almost claustrophibic confinement, in strong, contrasting tones of grey. 2 elements; stone and clouds.
No human life to be seen, but in the narrow space between the black, arched frame, one senses the presence of millions; the young lives physically and mentally mutilated and destroyed by an excess of mankind's worst deficiencies, malaises and failures.
One senses, moreover, the presence of millions of ghosts of men and boys who suffered appalling deaths in these fields and many others over 4 years of war.
Seeing no people suggests that these dead, and their ultimate sacrifice, are largely forgotten and neglected today, filed away in the dust of history.
The sky, in contrast, looks so full of anger, power, motion, dominating the scene that it seems like somewhere, beyond this earth, they are not forgotten, none of that monstrosity is forgotten, and neverwill be.
This is Ieper (in Flemish), Ypres (in French), an old venerable town of artists and crafstmen, as well as farmers, which after 4 years of bombardment had not a single building left standing. A place that found itself a vctim of geographical, political and historical circumstances - and collective madness. To most of the many hundreds of thousands of British and Canadian soldiers who fought there during the entire First World War, the majority of whom had never left their home towns before, many of whom would never go home, this town was Wipers (pronounced in English as "Waipers"). Shot, blown to oblivion, disappeared by drowning in the mud....without being able to pronounce the name of the place where their bodies remained in pieces.
There is a bizarre, striking coincidence that I have only just realised. Today (as I write this, pre-posting) is August 4th. It is 93 years to the very day that Britain declared war on Germany, due to its guarantee of Belgium's neutrality. And so that 4 years of nightmare began.
Forget? I can't, for many reasons that I will not go into.
Wim, thank you for this sadly necessary, powerfully eloquent piece of photographic brilliance. All credit to you.
Fellow-woophers, i would just ask you, what did Ieper/Ypres/Wipers mean to you, 93 years later, BEFORE you saw this photo and read my necessarily long explanation?
And what you think about the photo. Yes, it raises complex, abstract matters for discussion: life; death; sacrifice; war; futility; past; present; future; the value of a great photo (accomplishment?).

# Posted: 5 Aug 07 23:41
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Hi everybody,

so first of all, if we omit the history all around this picture :
-it' a picture very well composed with her perfect symmetry(centring of the cross + reflection of water).
-lighting and tone are perfect too.

Then, if we take history into consideration, the association of black&white and of an heavy sky is very judicious !
It permit to add a dramatic tone to the picture...

greetings.

# Posted: 6 Aug 07 08:31 - Edited by: pansa
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Agree with Soyoban about the mere qualities of this px. This px doesn't need a full page of pompous words to be understood.

Today it's the 6th of August. On the 6th of august 1945 the USA dropped an atom bomb on Hiroshima. followed by a 2d one on Nagasaki on August 9th. There are nasty pxs of the civilian people that were killed over there.

# Posted: 6 Aug 07 20:02
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On dec 7th 1941 Japan started a war that they would not win - a lot of people died because of that war. Think about that too, Pansa.

# Posted: 6 Aug 07 20:08
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The issue is , that it is always somebodies child , and sometimes a mother or a father who looses their lifes in a war . There is no discussion who stared a war , it's always a crime . So , if you ever come to Flanders Fields , you will see the graves of thousands and thousands young man , always somebodies child . It's quiet over there , and let the wind not tell you that their dead served nobody , those are too terrible things !!!!

# Posted: 6 Aug 07 21:58
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I just noticed that Icarus disappeared. I can imagine that he was not too happy with the word "pompous" as used by Pansa.
I think it does not account for much respect to somebody who took the trouble to write about such a sad issue in such a good way.

About the picture of Wim Denijs: it is a good and impressing document about war and depressing enough war is going on and on.

# Posted: 6 Aug 07 23:16
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just ad this .........there are no winners in a war, only loosers. ANd it are not just the soldiers who died ......much civilians to, even more then soldiers........and even though a picture tells more than thousand words...I think it is right to tell the story over and over again so we will not forget....but we may forgive...

# Posted: 7 Aug 07 01:22
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One personal feeling: it is sometimes very important and quite right (even if not nice) to fight a war. Just think of it this way: what if the english, russian, french, usa etc had never gone to war with germany because it is not nice to fight a war, what would have happened?

Even if it is terribly destructive and extremely ugly to fight a war it is not always nice.

But this has nothing to do with this picture in particular, it is a really nice photo.

# Posted: 7 Aug 07 13:36
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Icarus ( flew too close to the sun ).........I wish you come back. love the way you told the
story that you found in your heart from the pictures.

that what I love about pictures...the story you can tell and the knowledge that we gain.

thank you Icarus.

# Posted: 7 Aug 07 14:03
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Each country in this world has suffered by war.
Each country has his own bad memories of war.
Each country lost his young people at war.
So let us stop, to point out to others.
But go for peace and start by yourself.

And don't forget to look at the good things that happen also in this world.

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