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sercas72
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# Posted: 17 Jul 07 23:45 - Edited by: sercas72
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Hello only to comment to them that from now on I will try to give constructive critiques to photographies that I like and others that they displease me, I hope for all that these commentaries are not taken by an assault against the authors, but actually I am very tired of seeing absurd commentaries and qualifications of excellent to photographies that in my opinion do not deserve it, because this images DONT TELL ME NOTHING.
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Nivad
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# Posted: 17 Jul 07 23:56
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Well spoken sercas ;) no one can blame for you being honest without becoming or intending to be insulting.
Although I don't open pictures of wich the thumbnail if that already doesn't attract me but once I ve enlarged a thumbnail I comment it briefly as honest as possible wether it's positive or negative.
So I can only appriciate your decision to give more accurate critiques...
Grtz
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Corneel Timmermans
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# Posted: 18 Jul 07 10:24
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Sercas72,
Well'I hope you'll pass by me, constructive critism is welcome!
Corneel
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drora
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# Posted: 18 Jul 07 10:32
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love to read your comments and learn.
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pansa
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# Posted: 18 Jul 07 11:42
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Good spirit. Hope to see your comments.
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Geoffrey McElwaine
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# Posted: 18 Jul 07 11:51 - Edited by: Geoffrey McElwaine
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sercas72. Your comments are great : IMO there are too many " nice pic. " comments ! I agree that many uploaded pictures " tell ME nothing " : they may, however, " tell OTHERS something " - that diversity Is one of Woophy's strengths. Like Nivad, I only open those thumbnails which attract my immediate attention On the assumption that most members who upload pictures want to improve their picture-making, when I comment, I have two aims -
1. To encourage the photographer ; and
2. To clearly express my opinion on his / her pictures.
In both cases, I try to be both honest and constructive.
Regards
Geoff.
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Dieuwertje
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# Posted: 18 Jul 07 19:11
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Well Sercas, I hope we can learn a lot of you. For me it's as Nivad said, when I don't like the thumbnail I don't open it.
What you said of the short comments, for me the problem is that it"s sometimes diffecult to say it in good English what I realy mean.
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John Melskens
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# Posted: 18 Jul 07 20:24
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Sercas, do you realize that maybe a lot of your own pictures don't mean anything to other people? Not everybody has the same taste - and judging other peoples pictures, who often live in another culture with other values of what is "nice" or not, is in my opinion at least very diffucult.
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sercas72
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# Posted: 18 Jul 07 22:30 - Edited by: sercas72
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Thanks to all for answering to this forum.
John, the good taste for a photography is not local is global.
If to some member of woophy do not say anything to him any of my photographies I would be charmed with knowing it, sincerely I would be grateful for the real and constructive critiques to my photographies, If you can feel bad with the critiques, dont worry, I will not give him my opinion.
I do not do this small effort for being a nuisance, I think that the photography feels and if I do not feel anything when seen an image I can say it, of the same way when I can remain astonished by some photography that might see her the whole day.
Best regards.
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de stilte
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# Posted: 18 Jul 07 22:31
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Sercas, perhaps the pictures you don't like tell you nothing, other people can be touched by such pictures.
Photography is so subjective......you have a nice collection and so does John or dieuwertje or corneel or ruud regeer or geoffry or drora or rikus or joris or arwen or 36clicks or nifri or pansa or giz or nivad or bruno or oscar or WZ or......and so on and so on................BUT all these collections do have also pictures I don't like.....so what??........we all have different taste.....
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sercas72
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# Posted: 18 Jul 07 22:45
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I do not understand the controversy, Why I cant be sincere and say what I think, always guarding the necessary respect.
Its only my point of view, Im not better or worse than anybody, I want to learn and to share a bit of my knowledge with my commentaries, Why all this fear of saying the point of view.
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bobkati
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# Posted: 19 Jul 07 00:11
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de stilte: besides that the fotography is subjective, there are some basic rules that must be followed in order to get a foto that can be qualified. and breaking these rules can have a good result in case of only those people who have a huge talent... and this can not be told of too many people..
I agree with sercas, and this critic is not about offence, on the contrary... just for trying to increase the quality of the woophy fotos. I joined this forum for the useful opinions and for studying about fotography of those people who are outstanding on this page..
yes, we can study also from the not very good pics but much more from the good ones!
and honestly... if somebody gives me a comment such as: nice... this doesn't help me improve.
so... I agree, sercas. cheers.
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geert geenen
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# Posted: 19 Jul 07 01:20
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sercas 72 says he will try to give constructive critics; well, that's great! and i appreciate that. and: bobkati, you've said it! (although i'm very grateful for he nice-comments on my pictures) but: often destructive critics are the most constructive.
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Oscar_
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# Posted: 19 Jul 07 07:44
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I totally agree with John !
I think photography is all a matter of taste and interests. People with different styles and subjects what they like or don't like to shoot.
So Sercas72 can you describe what you have to see in a picture or what is your taste ? Because I think your tatse is not my taste but I think I can like your pics and you can like my pics because you can comment on the quality of the pic.
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ortho158
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# Posted: 19 Jul 07 08:45 - Edited by: ortho158
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I agree with John too. I don't mind Sercas commenting my pics, but I totally disagree with his idea of some "universal good taste".
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sercas72
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# Posted: 19 Jul 07 10:00
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Oscar_
Good question.
First that at all the photography must catch my attention, of there in forward I observe it with more thoroughness and analyze why I have liked it.
These are some of the points that I like to qualify.
1 the topic, 2 the originality, 3 the technic and skill 4 If the photography is a stroke of luck or a fortuitous event, I am charmed with it, 5 the composition, the color, the contrasts, textures, tonalities, 6 the retouches for computer I like some others seem to me to be a bit excessive, but if they have a touch of provocation also I am interested in them, 7 in the photography I like the abstraction and even more if the observer has to invent one or thousand possible histories about of the image.
I do not like the repetitive, boring topics, the exaggerations in photoshop, the babies' photographies, sunrises, flowers and people in the street without any type of message (at least for me).
Best regards...
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drora
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# Posted: 19 Jul 07 10:25
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you can find so many anwers.
"people in the street" - you can learn so much about the country...
"flowers" - nature work of art....
"sunrise/sunset" ....can be so beautiful and full of hope
and when they are good pictures...many people will like them...if they have the time they will write some nice comment...if they don't have much time then only rate.
I love the idea that there is NOT "universal good taste".
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Nathan Servi
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# Posted: 19 Jul 07 10:27
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Isn't it amazing to see that this very same topic repeats itself periodically, more or less every 2 months? :D
I personally tried to get into the "universalism of beauty" argument in a past forum, trying to prove the point that even if the personal appreciation for a picture is absolutely subjective, there are still many formal rules and basic features that will cause a picture to be of the "good" kind or of the "bad" kind. (or why not, in the middle...)
I still believe though that comments, as well as rating, are not a matter of personal likelyhood; let me explain:
We want to be responsible and decide not to vote 1 a picture that is clearly a 1 for us; we probably will not comment on it either, leaving this picture to the ocean of uploaded oblivion of woophy - not willing to "put down" the efforts of the photographer.
On the other hand when and if we do see a picture that strucks us, this will be voted and commented. And yes, in most cases a "good" picture will be "good" for most viewers, somebody might not like it, BUT, if this is a responsible person, he would definitely understand the "good" that's in it. (not the personal liking of the picture)
As per the constructive criticism; I perfectly agree with Sercas, in that it is definitely a "good" thing to write constructive criticism on a picture - and I also perfectly understand the arrogance of saying: "good taste for a photography is not local is global".
But, a personal advice is to keep this for yourself; as in, even if you haven't offended (and intended to offend) anyone, still a firm opinion on photography will definitely disturb some other more "liberal" members, and cause a long quite pointless debate.
At the same time your constructive criticism will ONLY be appreciated by responsible people that care for other's opinions and want to ammeliorate their photographic skills. All the others, will still think that you have been arrogant and that you don't have any right to harshly comment on their own pictures because they like it, and who are you to say anything and bla bla bla.... :D
In conclusion, keep on being fair, comment, vote, but don't get in the like/dislike argument because it really isn't worth the typing!
Sorry for the lenght of the post
I still truly envy all your T-shirts, Honorable Mention, Member of the Month awards... :D
Love to all,
Nathan
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sercas72
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# Posted: 19 Jul 07 10:39 - Edited by: sercas72
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I full agree with you drora, but in my personal taste dont like me.....:-)
When I wanted to say that a good photo is global, maybe there is misunderstanding.
In the photography there exist a series of rules that have to follow, and maybe ask ¿why?, so to catch the attention and the observer's interest, I consider to be a good photo that one that follows this rules, these are merely technical as the color and the composition etc.
After that will come everything related to the subjectivity from if we like it or not, depending on the cultures, ideologies, nationalities, etc.
I do not know for example anybody till now the one that does not like these two examples of good photography, maybe here could find someone...
Ramon Masats
Henry Cartier Bresson
You can rate this picture 3, 4 or 5, but I think that nobody would give a 1 to these two masterpieces for me.....this is a global good taste.
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ortho158
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# Posted: 19 Jul 07 10:59
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Disagree with you again. To take another example, 'Sagrada Familia' is considered to be a masterpîece, and I find it truly ugly. Do I have a problem?
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