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Nivad
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# Posted: 15 Jul 07 00:17
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Lately I was thinking couldn't there a little more discussion about photographs here in the forum. And then I really mean discussion about what's is good and what is not in a picture.
I am convinced that such a discussion could be beneficial for everybody...
The artist has to review his work and is directly confrontated with any eventually flaws;
the discussion participant is forced to have an attentive look and must formulate some arguments wich make sense (=> also an exercise in english);
and the simple reader can learn a lot of the critics the picture gets.
But I wondered how to do it practically...
And i came up with this set-up:
- Each sunday A new thread will be started with only one single picture in the first post.
- The topic starter will be the one whos picture was been chosen in the previous week.
- He (or she) will not choose from his (or her) own work neither from the work of the topic started of the previous week
- He motivates or starts disscussing his choice of pic.
- next sunday this repeats...
I think this system improves involvement cause everybody gets the chance to choose a picture he likes more or less.
Also when choosing a picture try to choose a picture of a member who is active on the forum to ensure there will be a new topic next week.
Furthermore i hope this initiative knows some succesand will be continued and improved in the future.
And for the participants: don't be as short as in the comment boxes. This meant to get a thoroughly discussion.
Grtz
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Nivad
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# Posted: 15 Jul 07 00:19
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As initiative taker I will have to post the first picture i suppose...
 by Pansa
(This means Pansa should start a new thread next sunday 22/7)
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Nivad
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# Posted: 15 Jul 07 00:30
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I've choosen this one because it is simple and yet it is complex :)
Of course it is a nice picture however I think the focus is not perfectly situated. In bit in front of the center while it would be better when it was exactly in the center.
Maybe the center of the web was better a little higher to improve composition.
Contrast is quite good, all threads are quite visible, but I personally would prefer it a bit harder, a bit more contrast. Or the background on the bottom part could be enlightened a bit more.
Depth of field has been used wonderfully. A focused part at one third and then clearly blurring to the front and the back.
Plus the background is completely blurred away.
Grtz
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pansa
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# Posted: 15 Jul 07 21:02 - Edited by: pansa
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Tssssjjjjjjjaaaaaaaa. It's an honour to be the first victim in this topic. But why you (Nivad) picked one of my most innocent pxs? You have a couple of technical remarks (which I don't share all BTW). The px was taken at a "golden" morning with fog (explains the foggy background) and early light to give the water drops some "glimmer". The contrast is enhanced to a level that I think suits with the foggy conditions.
Good initiative BTW. I will think about continuing (or not).
Greetings
Pansa
Oh of course I am very curious to hear other peoples comments.
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Nivad
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# Posted: 15 Jul 07 21:56
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Well pansa...
Why you... call it coincedence for some part. I looked for who is active on this forum on a regular basis so in order to ensure this initiative would drop dead simply because succesion would fail. On the other hand people like aline, nonkel duvel, devish, marcos, berin, dieuwertje and many others had actually the same chance to be the first victim but somebody had to be the first...
Why this picture... I recently kind a stumbled upon it and cause macro photography does interest me. So I thought why not take it as the first pic for this initiative. To hear more meanings about the bad and certainly also the good things of this pic. Simply to learn something about it.
And I seriously endorse criticism in this topic (I believe you can handle some criticism, another reason why I choose you to be the first) simple to ignite some discussion. If the discussion can reach a more intense level we can learn a lot simply by looking at one picture.
Certainly criticism doesn't mean that we have to be destructive. Of course it is possible the pictures photographer doesn't agree with the arguments somebody made, but it is right and the right of every other participant in the discussion to tell us his or her vision of the pic. After it is still quite personal the experience of art, and if i m right photography is still a form of art.
And concerning continuation of this topic, I hope it knows some succes but if not well then this initiative was in vain and I wouldn't mind if it dies a quiet death...
grtz
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W.Z.
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# Posted: 15 Jul 07 22:04
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Nivad,
absolutely marvelous initiative!!
Pansa,
I hadn't seen the pic before and I must say it looks very appealing,
both in the small as the large view.
What I like about it is the very nice dof and perfect guiding lines.
What I think could improve this pic is:
a) placing the center of the web in the upper-left heavy point. Not because that's
what theory sais, but because I believe it would create even more depth in the pic.
I think in this case the rule of thirds would be more appealing than the golden mean.
In doing this (cropping a bit of the top) the dimentions of the shot would also
approach the golden ratio and therefore look more natural.
b) lower contrast and brightness to create a hazy effect that would suit the subject
better I think.
Kind Regards,
WZ
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bruha
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# Posted: 16 Jul 07 01:18
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Wonderful idea Nivad -
My photography needed some mental stimulation and my involvement with 'Woophy' needed more than just adding cryptic comments to submitted photos.
Pansa's great photo -
I like it as it is, it has a feeling of the mysteries of early morning but I also support the thirds theory for the point of interest, in this case the centre of the web could either be higher or lower but the subject requires a full frame and not be so cropped that it becomes a pano.
I await with eager anticipation for Pansa's submission
Grtz
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Dieuwertje
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# Posted: 16 Jul 07 14:08
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Nivad, this is a great idea. The comments are mostly short because there are so many pix to comment.
Your idea to take just one special to comment will be learn us more of the different ins and outs of photography and also to learn what other people thinks about it.
The technical items are mostly new for me and so I learn to look at an other way to the pix, even sometimes it's diffecult to say it in good English, but I keep trying.
Pansa, I see what you mean, sometimes the circumstances are making the pic, and I like it very much, but I agree that the web could be more in the centre of the photo, than it's for me perfect.
Dieuwertje
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Corneel Timmermans
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# Posted: 16 Jul 07 15:10
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I like the topic,
as it is for technical remarks I'd think people are less hesitated to comment (technical) critical on a photo due to this topic as (in my opinion) they always are able on all submitted photo;s on woophy.
anyway interesting to read the remarks.
I'm personally not "thrilled" by the photo, it's nice but I guess I would like to see a macro of the drops on the lines of the web.
ciao
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Dave Moore
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# Posted: 16 Jul 07 15:56
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This is a good idea Nivad.
As an abstract photo it's great, the mist gives a nice clean background that doesn't detract from the web. My only criticism with it is the point of focus, I'd like to see the centre section of the web in focus not just the right-hand half of it.
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drora
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# Posted: 17 Jul 07 08:55
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I see this picture for the first time .
the picture bring a winter mist/ color. nice picture.
love to read all your comments and learn...
Nivad - great idea.
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sercas72
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# Posted: 17 Jul 07 10:08
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Great work Nivad, I believe that your post is a very good idea since you try to give a really serious space of opinion, and put aside superficial commentaries likenicely, cool, super and some others.
And PANSA dont feel like a victim, for my serious one an honor that finally they were valuing my image with objectivity, your image for my it is a good object, but the image seems to me to be too flat for the scanty contrast of colors, in addition I do not like the use of the frames, the composition seems to me to be good, but I would like to know that you try to say with the photography or is an image is only to share.
Best regards.
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pansa
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# Posted: 17 Jul 07 11:37 - Edited by: pansa
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@ sarcas72 and others
In my first reply I used the word "honour" and that's how I feel it.
This photo is a registration of the "atmosphere" on a cold morning in late autumn, no more no less. It's not controversial. That's why I called it my "innocent" picture. It's not confronting someone with a social problem but just a kind a sculpture or nature. I think in retrospect that Nivad made a good selection because there is nothing in the px that can distract you from a technical judgement.
A macro of the water drops could also have given a nice px, but would have placed it completely out of context. I was intrigued by the wonderful shape of the web that was accentuated by the water drops. Photographing for me is keeping excited by shapes, colours and lights. Photographing is a matter of the heart first.
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Aline
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# Posted: 18 Jul 07 11:18
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@ Nivad : it is a very good idea.
I'm on my side a fervent fan of constructive and balanced critics on pictures, and I deeply regret the lack of interest and accuracy on so many comments on Woophy.
I opened a forum in the past at this subject, but your initiative is constructive. I hope it will survive.
@Pansa :
I like very much the picture, it is for me very attractive :
- because of the beauty of the web and the drops by themselves
- because of the foggy background and the colors , refining the pattern
- because I'm not able to say if it is a color or a B&W picture
- because of the technical difficulty of focus on a web
- because of the panoramic format, and the center of the web at the left of the compo.
I regret :
- the focus not right centered on the center of the web
- the slight lack of contrast. That could been changed with a post-process, I think.
The IMPACT of your picture would have been stronger, in my mind, with these 2 enhancements.
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Nivad
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# Posted: 18 Jul 07 23:38
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It pleases me a lot this initiative seems to be appreciated, thanks for all your enthousiasm...
@pansa
If you still have them registrated somewhere you could perhaps give us some technical information about the picture: shutterspeed, diafragm, focal length, sensor sensitivity... a lot of cams do save that info along with the picture.
Grtz
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pansa
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# Posted: 19 Jul 07 08:45
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Picture taken with/at:
Camera : Nikon Coolpix 8800
Exposure time: 1/80 s
Aperture : f4.0
ISO : 50
Focal length : 24 mm
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Paulo Calafate
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# Posted: 20 Jul 07 00:22
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What I like in this pic is the enormous amount of water drops and the brightness that they shine through. At the same time the thin spider's web gain an interesting 3d effect, or extra volume.
It´s a different web which due to the zoom applied, and the drops, resulted in a curious abstract image.
I like the clean, light and homogeneous background which due to a good aperture selection was very well blurred enhancing all the details and shapes of the lines and drops. The selective focus is a result of the small depth of field due to the f/4.0 aperture and I like very much this effect because transmits good depth sensation and compels our look to the center of the focused image.
I like the web center placed out of the middle of the commposition, enhancing the dynamics that the diagonal lines already give.
I think the B&W option was a good choice for this subject because the color would not add nothing more interesting.
Congratulations for your work.
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soyoban
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# Posted: 21 Jul 07 00:03
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Hi everybody.
This is an interesting topic indeed.
I've hesitate for a while, because my poor english and because the first example is hard.
Indeed, this picture is relatively good.
So, i try the adventure...
-the picture is sharp, and i think it's difficult to make focus exactly in the center...
-the rule of thirds is not very well applied but i think it's a good centring( the web's threads comes exactly from the corner of picture).
-it's a good macro even if i prefer a web in another background; a little more far...
I hope i've been relatively clear.
Grtz
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