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Scoonie
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# Posted: 4 Mar 08 10:07
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Are all photos exactly as they seem?
I spotted a telephone kiosk in an idyllic setting - except for the fact that it had a huge, ugly telegraph pole placed between the kiosk and the loch. A dilemma for me as Photoshop is not my best friend 
But with careful positioning of the composition in the viewfinder and with clever (!) cropping......... Hey Voilà.....no telegraph pole 
So, I have confessed! How many more Woophyites would feel better for making a confession? I dare you!
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Vidar S
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# Posted: 4 Mar 08 10:24 - Edited by: Vidar S
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I think there would be a lot of bad pictures on woophy without a little cheating! 
This image:
is heavily edited from this:
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pansa
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# Posted: 4 Mar 08 10:41
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Oeps, I have been drinking too much because I see 2 owls.
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Dieuwertje
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# Posted: 4 Mar 08 15:05
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Hi Scoonie, well I must confess sometimes I do it too. I made this close up of my daughter on the beach, when I downloaded it on my PC I saw some little figures on the right side, who were a bit disturbing the pict, so I let disapeared them.
I think we all do this sometimes to make the pict more beautiful.
Greetz, Dieuwertje
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Steve L
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# Posted: 4 Mar 08 15:56
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Sometimes a simple crop can create a "different" picture from the original. This picture
became this:
Sometimes it takes more work. I originally submitted this photo:
After suggestions by Woopy members I reworked it to this:
We have had forum discussions about how much you can/should modify a photo. Cropping, burning/dodging and similar work has gone on in darkrooms since the early days of black and white photography. There is a point at which I think the work should be mentioned in the caption with a photo, but I don't think it is necessary for basic work to make a photo more pleasing to the eye. However, it is fun to see what will come up in a forum like this.
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pansa
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# Posted: 4 Mar 08 16:35 - Edited by: pansa
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This is a combination of 4 photos: the memorial, the threatening sky, the birds and the plane. A bit of work in PS and ..... presto
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TBM
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# Posted: 4 Mar 08 17:22 - Edited by: TBM
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Great topic Scoonie!
Before the advent of digital photgraphy a popular version of Murphy's Law was "Between a photographer and his subject there are always N telephone wires, where N>3".
But let's keep the distinction of the many different things one can do before posting a pic.
Among them, 4 are the most usual:
a) cropping
b) changing contrast or brightness
c) adjusting colours
d) cloning away disturbing elements.
a) and b) are exactly the same thing all photographers of old times did when printing in the darkroom. So, IMO, there is no need of asking "to confess or not to confess"
c) seems to be a bit different. But consider that when your camera creates a jpeg file, it is already doing a process involving intepretation and correction of color values. So our additional editing is simply a step further in the process of creating a digital image;
as regards d), I think that the Clone Tool is among those inventions that have set mankind free from brute slavery, like the washing machine or the contraceptive pill... Seriuosly speaking, as far as we clone away poles, parked cars, distant persons or other unimportant but disturbing elements, I think that we have no sin to confess.
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TBM
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# Posted: 4 Mar 08 17:58
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BTW: in this pic of mine:
on the river bank, bottom left, there was a huge ugly SUV parked  ... I cloned the snow instead. And I do not feel guilty at all!
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Scoonie
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# Posted: 4 Mar 08 18:05
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This is becoming very interesting!
I started the forum, not that we should feel the 'need' to confess but so that we could have some fun seeing the befores and afters...... and there are some great ones already!
And that is an amazing photo Pansa! Hats off to you! But as I said photoshop is beyond me!
I am still with A B C of TBM!! D eludes me!
I shall post my original photo as soon as I can so that its is there for comparison sake.
Let's see more befores and afters!!
Regards
Lorraine
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fotogravenswaay
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# Posted: 4 Mar 08 19:06 - Edited by: fotogravenswaay
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this one is obvious I think.........
I don't think it is necessary to post the "before" picture ..........
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Christian C
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# Posted: 4 Mar 08 19:14
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A cropping is very useful to make a good composition.
 
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www.imagografie.ch
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# Posted: 4 Mar 08 19:42
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nice to see that all are a little 'cheating'! not only me...
this is the view from my balcony... nice right? well i life beside a soccerfield with huge lamps- flootlights-... well there was accually more flootlights then mountain, before my PS work. now i like the mountain, in real i do not look much up there because of those da*"*" lights! i wish i could erase them also in real so easely
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jackfre
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# Posted: 4 Mar 08 19:59
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I don't have any heavy oftware to edit my pictures. So I crop mostly
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jackfre
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# Posted: 4 Mar 08 20:35
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From color
into black/white and cropped
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geert geenen
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# Posted: 4 Mar 08 22:18
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about vidar's photo's: i think the one with the people (and the bird) on it is much more interesting
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Scoonie
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# Posted: 4 Mar 08 23:52
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As I promised earlier here are my before and after efforts but I am sure with a little of photoshop know how it could be a lot better!
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Vidar S
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# Posted: 5 Mar 08 08:22
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@Geert, Hi!
Thank's for your input! 
I'm not sure I like the edited version either. Maybe because it's a little boring?..
A little adjustment of the light and some cropping may be the best sollution with the original.
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Geoffrey McElwaine
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# Posted: 14 Mar 08 13:49 - Edited by: Geoffrey McElwaine
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Scoonie. If " confession " is called for ( and that appeals to my dour Presbyterian soul ! ), then I plead guilty. Although I don't have Photoshop, ALL my pictures have been manipulated to some degree ( on iPhoto ) - increasing the contrast / colour saturation, cropping, etc. I hope that doesn't make me a bad person !
Regards from an unrepentant
Geoff. ( Geoffrey McElwaine )
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Scoonie
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# Posted: 14 Mar 08 20:45
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Not at all Geoffrey! It seems we are all guilty and although confession is good for the soul where woophy is concerned there is absolutely no need!!
Regards
Lorraine
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TGB
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# Posted: 14 Mar 08 21:28
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I use Photoshop's RAW converter facilities very often because images directly from my camera can be a little flat and lifeless at times, especially when shooting in jpg. My intention is to provide as visually attractive an image as possible, and I make no apologies for it.
I can usually spot a photograph that has been digitally manipulated in some form or other and in my opinion a large number posted in Woophy have been digitally adjusted.
I contend that it is such common practice as to be taken for granted without comment now that almost all photographs now have to be computer processed, both in-camera and when downloading (and I haven't even considered the act of printing them on an inkjet yet).
How about displaying your enhancement skills by posting before and after pics?
Regards
TGB
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