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A.Miguel Oliveira
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# Posted: 8 Feb 08 16:32
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Hi, Joris, Marcel and everyone!
This took a long time to see all the potential of Woophy 2.0 and still I'm not sure if I read everything and understood everything, but I'm able to start with: thanks Joris and Marcel for all this hard work!!! The overall feeling is that this is much better than its previous version, with many more nice features! So, I think it's now useful to go on looking for those minor "problems" or ways to get it even better. Almost every considerations I'll put here, I think that from one or another member, they've already been pointed out, but I have a special one to register at the end:
* major "problems", imo:
1. Pity we can't re-upload pics, as Ruud~ already asked, as I intended to complete some frames from my first pics and, mainly, to add them my signature and copyright symbol.  (I didn't expect this change, if so I'd have hurried up)
2. The thumbnails are too small and cropped to be used even as a first selection.
*minor "problems", imo:
3. Like others, I also miss some search options: by calendar of posting; by rating/views in the categories; by most commented in our own gallery.
4. I also miss the direct link to our own gallery when we are at "my account".
* My Biggest concern:
5. I don't agree with the fact that, at the "exif" data or specifications of each pic, the date of the picture taking is shown! I think it goes against privacy! All other exif are nice to be shown for learning, the date doesn't matter for anything (maybe the date of posting,that one, yes!). I (we, I'd say) don't mind other members or visitors know what gear, technics, software or light conditions we used or had, but I do mind anyone is able to know that at a particular month, day, hour and minute I was at a particular place!!!
Well, as the name of people online was already taken off (maybe someone was also disagreeing with it, I guess), I would like you to express yourselves about this, and ask Joris and Marcel to look at this PROBLEM as soon as they can, for privacy sake, and omit the date of pictures' taking! Thank you!
Now, I'll explore my last way of searching as Zerega suggested: through keywords on the map!
(may I use this topic yet for a small question? I think I read somewhere in the forum about knowing that a particular pic of us was chosen as a favorite from other members! Am I right? Is it possible? How? Thanks)
Greets to all and enjoy this wonderful new born! 
Miguel
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Ruden Fretsbo
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# Posted: 8 Feb 08 16:51
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Hi all!
First of all I'd like to say that up to now I find the new version of Woophy a real success, so 10 POINTS for woophy 2.0! But I agree that there are some things that can be arranged still.
I agree with Miguel in all points, but specially number 2 (the crop of thumbnails is really annoying in some framings), and number 5, this is about EXIF data. Completely agree that the date of picture taking does not give any important information and goes against privacy.
Only one more suggestion. I think that the New topics in forum should be seen at once when you open the forum link. This could help in having more posts, because I think that now is quite hidden.
Nothing more by now. The rest goes smooth and wonderful!
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devish
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# Posted: 8 Feb 08 16:51
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Thanks for your analysis. I agree Miguel.
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W.Z.
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# Posted: 8 Feb 08 17:06
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@miguel & ruden,
I fully agree with you on the showing time & date in exif.
Why don't you just leave it out? Delete it?
@joris & marcel,
Why not get exif from a couple of textboxes in the upload-page, so members can
easily chose what information they want to share and which is private?
I don't mind showing most of the data but as part of the "saving for web" procedure
I use to convert my photos to jpeg, exif is removed, and therefore I can't show it at the moment.
Also for HDR shots, it's impossible to show exif.
Kind Regards,
W.Z.
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zerega
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# Posted: 8 Feb 08 17:12 - Edited by: zerega
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Well, for me it is the time and date the scanner pumped into the image EXIF. So you all can see where i was in the office and had woophy time instead of working.
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Ruud~
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# Posted: 8 Feb 08 17:51
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Yes, there are copyright and maybe personal issues with the date/time exif info. The cropped thumbnails need fixing too. I need them uncropped, to get some idea of the compo.
On the other hand, I like the new colour scheme and fonts.
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geert geenen
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# Posted: 8 Feb 08 18:57
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i completely agree with miguel, ruden and ruud about the cropped thumbnails and the date-info/privacy. both have to be changed.
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www.imagografie.ch
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# Posted: 8 Feb 08 18:57
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Miguel and Ruden, you both say exactly what was bothering me all day! i saw the new version this morning and it looks nice, but does not really confess me yet. all the points you both where writing were things i miss. would be very nice to solve at least some of those points.
its iteresting, with my exif dates you can see nothing... it must be because every picture is postworked on ps... so this point does not bother me much, but all others
greetz
bunny
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A.Miguel Oliveira
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# Posted: 8 Feb 08 19:53
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W.Z., I just can't understand when you say "delete it"!!! How?
I not only don't want to have the pic taking date on my exif data, for future pics I'll post , as also don't want it for those 250 pics already posted!!!! I use Picasa2 and/or Canon Digital Photo Professional and don't realize I'm able to leave it apart! It's a privacy question! Thanks to everyone who already feel the same and have replied! Joris and Marcel, please act as soon as you can with this problem and please get it off! Many thanks!
Greets,
Miguel
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Ruud~
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# Posted: 8 Feb 08 20:06 - Edited by: Ruud~
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I edited this post:
Wesley must be talking of something like an exif editor. I found a few in the discussions on dpreview, Exifer and Quick exif editor. (That will only help for future images, of course.)
When it comes to exif info, I'm mostly interested in camera model, iso number, f-number, shutter speed and flash. (As a matter of fact, these are all missing or incorrect in the first image that I uploaded to the new woophy. I think PS is to blame for that.)
I like Wesley's second idea (let the uploader decide which exif info appears, as part of the upload procedure. This option should also be available in the edit function).
It all depends on what Joris and Marcel think of these exif matters (and of course of the thumbnail issue).
So Joris, Marcel, what are your first thoughts when it comes to the exif and thumbnails?
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Bernadette
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# Posted: 8 Feb 08 20:08
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Like Miguel I think that the date where the pictura has been made is not useful and goes against privacy. I we choose to indicate it, we cando it in the comments. but it does not add something to help people to make picture (I remenber it was the fist target for displaying these data)
(btw I never realise that my pictures should be so 'talkative' with all these informations available)
I also regret that the thumbnails are cropped. It does not give an idea of the picture and, there is a risk to miss some good pictures because cropped thumbnails are less attractive.
Thes two remarks must not hide the fact that a great job has been done. Nice and lighter appearance. I like also the font.
It's quie normal that some things have to be improved when you launch a new project.
Greets
Bernadette
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Els van Heel
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# Posted: 9 Feb 08 00:15
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I totaly agree with Miquel , Ruden ,Geert and the other !!
Gr. Els
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Ruden Fretsbo
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# Posted: 9 Feb 08 11:37
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At the same time I noticed that the EXIF data does'nt show the 'f number'. For me it's essential to know the aperture value to understand better the process of taking the picture.
Hugs!
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W.Z.
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# Posted: 9 Feb 08 12:36
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@Miguel:
- if you use a "save for web" procedure ISO a "save as jpeg", most software
strips exif-info out of the file.
- have a look at this kind of software http://www.exifinfo.com There's many of these easy little & free programs that allow you to change exif to whatever you want it to be
- most software changes more than you want in exif-tags.
@Ruud:
I also prefer the second option.
Kind Regards,
W.Z.
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Oscar_
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# Posted: 9 Feb 08 12:44
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@Miguel, you always can edit your EXIF information to anything you want by some handy tools. If you are concerning the date of editing you can always delete this information.
By editing the EXIF info you can add your copyright as well. Very handy because this information can't be deleleted by normal programms.
Regards,
Oscar
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devish
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# Posted: 9 Feb 08 12:58
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I have got a question that kind of has to do with the subject:
EXIF data is visible only on pictures that where taken RAW? Because my pictures on whoophy don't display the EXIF data
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grumpyman
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# Posted: 9 Feb 08 13:00
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exif is available on Raw and jpeg might be software your using that blocks it
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Oscar_
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# Posted: 9 Feb 08 13:36
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Grumpyman has right. It should be visible in jpeg and RAW. Devish you're using the same camera as me and I don't have these problems. You know you have to convert your RAW into a jpeg so this information should be visible.
Which software do you use for editing ? This could be a problem.
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ortho158
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# Posted: 9 Feb 08 14:20 - Edited by: ortho158
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I think that there is an overreaction about the date/time of EXIF because, anyway, they are dependent upon your own settings. Nobody will ever know if you ever set the correct date/time on your camera, so that the date that we see may absolutely not be the real one. On my own cameras, I set the date/time once, when I buy them, and then I never change it. So, I never take winter/summer time into consideration, and I do not adapt the time when I go to a faraway place on holiday. Do you really all do that?
I just had a look at a few photo sites. Usefilm does not display time/date. But Flickr, Trekearth, Photopoints and DeviantArt all display it.
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A.Miguel Oliveira
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# Posted: 9 Feb 08 22:45
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Thanks Oscar for the explanation, but anyway, those 250 pics I had posted I can't do nothing about them, unless the date is taken off from exif by Woophy staff! And when I posted them at Woophy 1.0, the rules weren't the same: the date didn't appear so I had no concern about it! Now, I have! In this case I don't agree with Alain (Ortho), who seems to be the first not caring about this problem. I have my dates corrected at my cameras and as a privacy matter I really don't want people to know where I am each day and minute I'm photographing (just imagine I suggst to my grand-grand-mother I'm at the North Pole and indeed at that time I'm posting at Woophy something from Rio Carnival! ). That's a right I have not to turn public my private life. Of course a "middle"-solution is to allow us to choose if we care or not about the date at exif data, and be able to cut it off! And if there are some other photo sites that don't display it, that means it's possible (and correct!). Besides the woophy spirit and the goal of learning something from members exif data aren't put in question by the date absence! It doesn't help anyone! On the contrary, it can cause problems! Some other photo sites display it, I know, but that doesn't mean they are the right ones; and that's why I came to Woophy 1.0, where privacy wasn't put in cause!
Thanks for reading this...
All other aspects at Woophy are great or being improved, so... please correct this one, Joris!
Greets,
Miguel
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