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Martin de Rijk
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# Posted: 16 Sep 09 12:10
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I like the idea, count me in.
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Abílio Silveira
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# Posted: 16 Sep 09 19:43
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Ruden: I think that your explanations are quite clear and perhaps it's time to be more practical now.
Maybe you could define up to twenty pictures in the small format. For example:
And teach how to do it: changing the m to a s when inserting the image.
Twenty pictures in large format
(or even medium format)
would occupy a huge amount of space in the topic...
And define that every 5 days, four new forums will be open: for example, start on September 20 with four members. And then on the September 25 four other members, and then September 30, October 5, October 10 and so on.
Assuming that everybody who participated till now is interested on joining, we have already 21 members:
Ruden Fretsbo, joopvandijk, TBM, RiSi, geert geenen, ortho158, Nivad, Cloudbuster, Jan Hemels, tiswas, Zeeg, kit-tay, TGB, Abílio Silveira, zerega, Lali, Josecps, la rafale, PBX, bruha2 and Martin de Rijk.
So, you could get started. Let me have the pleasure of telling what I really think about your neurosis in the first forum "CRITICS WORKSHOP: Ruden Fretsbo gallery" 
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Bluesbuster
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# Posted: 16 Sep 09 20:01
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I like very much the idea of creating such a workgroup Ruden, you can count me in as well.
Already having a list with members who are prepared to give and receive critical and meaningful comments is something I would welcome very much.
Only thing I fear is the large number of pictures you want us to present in an active topic. If there are 20 pics in a topic and we have (let's be optimistic) 20 members who are going to comment on them, that would make 400 comments. With four active topics that makes 1600 comments ! I'll never be able to read all of that 
For me, making a critical comment takes time too (study the picture, thinking about the words to express myself in English..), it's not a thing I can do in 5 minutes.
But anyhow, give it a try, little by little things can be improved.
Regards
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Ruden Fretsbo
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# Posted: 16 Sep 09 20:06 - Edited by: Ruden Fretsbo
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Heheheehhehe Abílio... You're great, man! Thank you for your summary.
Ok, so I think that the best will be the medium format, and then everyone can open the large view in another window.
I think it will be more practical to stablish the duration ot every new forum topic in 7 days (this is a week) Maybe we can start next sunday as a "trial run" and see how it works. I agree very much with the opinions of Lali and Bruha2, just do it and the time will show us the best way.....
So we have still few days to increase the list of mambers taking part and to have other opinions and ideas. If all you agree I'll post the first forum topic on sunday evening as a model and three more members can do it as well. If you want we could follow the list that Abilio made, this is: Ruden Fretsbo, joopvandijk, TBM, RiSi, geert geenen, ortho158, Nivad, Cloudbuster, Jan Hemels, tiswas, Zeeg, kit-tay, TGB, Abílio Silveira, zerega, Lali, Josecps, la rafale, PBX, bruha2 and Martin de Rijk (and those who are to come)... but I think that we must take this list is only as a guidance and we can be flexible...
The topics posted next sunday (20th Septembe) will be active until (27th september) and then we will have a second round... ok?
Hugs hugs hugs hugs!!!
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Ruden Fretsbo
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# Posted: 16 Sep 09 20:11 - Edited by: Ruden Fretsbo
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@Bluesbuster: No, no, no, no... maybe you missundertood something... This that you are suggesting would be really a madness... The idea is that you will make a single critic (or "comment" if you prefer this word) about a whole collection. No need to comment each and every picture but all the collection as a whole! It means that if, for example, every member of the group gives an opinion about my collection I will have around 20 different comments... not 400!
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Bluesbuster
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# Posted: 16 Sep 09 20:16
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 ooops...ok, this makes a lot of more sense !
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Abílio Silveira
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# Posted: 16 Sep 09 20:38
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I insist: the small format would be better...
Twenty pictures in medium format in a row in a forum: I don't even know if they will all fit in a single post.
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kit-tay
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# Posted: 16 Sep 09 20:49
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I agree with Abilio. It's a lot. I'm not even sure I can pick 20 of my photos that I consider worthy of being criticized 
On another point: if I understood the order and timing proposed by Ruden correctly, my turn to post will fall on October 4th. I would like to be moved up or down the queue because I'll be on a business trip October 4-8, and highly unlikely to have any spare time  the good part is that I hope to have at least a little bit of time in Stockholm to take pictures 
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geert geenen
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# Posted: 16 Sep 09 20:55
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@kit-tay: why not say 20 is the maximum? 15 or 10 or even 5 is also allowed.
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kit-tay
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# Posted: 16 Sep 09 20:57
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@geert: Yes, I definitely like that better )) But I don't insist, of course.
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TBM
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# Posted: 16 Sep 09 21:29
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Ruden wrote:
If all you agree I'll post the first forum topic on sunday evening as a model and three more members can do it as well. If you want we could follow the list that Abilio made, this is: Ruden Fretsbo, joopvandijk, TBM, RiSi, geert geenen
... That means that I must be ready with my collection by next Sunday? Ok, I 'll be there.
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Ruden Fretsbo
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# Posted: 16 Sep 09 21:51
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Let's be flexible in this kind of things...
@Abílio: I think small format is also ok... anyway the important thing is that everybody opens the large view.
@kit-tay: Just post those pictures that you think are more representative from your work...
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www.atpphotographic.com
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# Posted: 16 Sep 09 22:40
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I like very much the idea of creating such a workgroup Ruden, you can count me in as well.
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Cloudbuster
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# Posted: 16 Sep 09 22:44 - Edited by: Cloudbuster
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Sorry. Did not read whole topic good enough.
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Zeeg
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# Posted: 16 Sep 09 22:53 - Edited by: Zeeg
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To solve the problem of space and congestion in the thread, why not create (as I suggested, but it was not said clearly) a blog with the pictures that you want to be criticized - and there is no problem to use the maximum size here - and put in the thread just a serie of thumbnails and a link to "attract" people to your blog. After seeing the blog, you come back to the thread for commenting.
The advantage is that there is no need to open each photo to get a sufficient size for an efficient and comfortable review of the whole collection (from the thread, you would need two steps for each small pic to open it in large...)
I posted this message before seeing Cloudbuster proposal which works and is much more simple, but doesn't allow to browse the whole collection quickly in large. But it's a handy and smart solution.
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Nivad
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# Posted: 16 Sep 09 23:15
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Just like Zeeg I would also prefer the system with a blog.
It has some more advantages then as stated by Zeeg...
- You can interlink the blog and the correspending forum thread making it easy for yourself to consult the "sunken" thread at a later time.
- Blogs stay available to be commented also after the the forum thread has been closed.
- In a blog you can easily explain your pictures or your collection as a whole without "polluting" the forum thread.
- Using the blog feature, though that effect will be quite small, will provide some extra advertisement for this initiative.
Grtz
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RiSi
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# Posted: 16 Sep 09 23:16 - Edited by: RiSi
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After seeing the blog, you come back to the thread for commenting.
see, and this is where it would get complicated after a few weeks. suppose, i would like to read up on the comments about the collection of everybody who takes part in the workshop. if everybody opens a new thread in the forum, it's incredibly easy to get lost in cyberspace after let's say a couple of weeks, months, ... why not just open a central thread where each participant leaves a link to their according blog and maybe include a thumbnail or two, three... that way, all we critics have to do then is follow the link, browse through the collection right on the blog and leave our critique on the blog. that way it's also much easier for each author to read up on their comments, instead of digging through the forum again.
i am also thinking of the two or three people out there in cyberspace (including my own personal ever unreliable wireless). it's much less hassle if you look at loading times if you don't have to wait for the comment page to load a huge number of pictures -- which would amount to quite a number if you consider that each new page on a thread holds 20 entries. times up to 20 images per member -- that's 400 images per page, if i took the calculation to an extreme.
at last, one final question, because i haven't understood it. will we be able to choose the pictures to be judged by ourselves, or will there be a weekly topic??? i'm asking because my gallery isn't stacked too well in comparison with others and there are LOADS of subjects i either have not covered (because i am grossly inept), or because i chose not to post certain images on the web (like portraits of living people).
edit: nivad was quicker -- and used easier to read sentences. mental note to self: use more full stops and less verbs.
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Mac Leitao
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# Posted: 17 Sep 09 01:23
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I read all the comments and I have not much to add.
I think it's a good idea and when I came to woophy it was this kind of thing I supposed to find... but wasn't.
I prefered the Forum. I think it's more easy to use.
I want to participate also.
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Ruden Fretsbo
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# Posted: 17 Sep 09 21:38
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Hi guys!
The idea of the blog suggested by Zeeg, Nivad and RiSi seems to me very interesting and I thing that it would make it work with ease... but on the other hand I think it would be less visible for the rest of members...
I think both methods (forum and blog) have pros and cons... I don't feel like deciding it alone... I'd like to read other opinions... But, after all, I really don't think that it will make much difference... The important thing is that we do it, and later see the result so in the future we can improve it.
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Bluesbuster
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# Posted: 17 Sep 09 22:19
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I don't think you should worry about visibility Ruden, probably everybody who is interested has already read this topic. If one of us thinks there might be somebody else who would like to join this workgroup we can still send him a mail and invite him/her to join.
Me too I think the forum is the easiest and most pleasant way to use but posting the pictures is a medium sized format in a blog maybe wouldn't be that bad, all browsers work with tabs these days, so it would not be a problem to open a topic and the corresponding pictures (a link in the topic) on your screen.
Maybe you can convince Joris and Marcel to create in the forum under 'Woophy's Photography Workshop' a subgroup called 'criticals workgroup' (or whatever), so it would not be hard to find somebodies topic (there is always the search tab in this subgroup !) and if there is somebody (you ?) who could moderate this subgroup and remove any topic that doesn't belong there things would remain quiet clear I think.
just trying to help...
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